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Linearity and Easyness is getting annoying

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Blackardin
02.04.2012 , 10:30 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
So. You haven't beat all the content and you are complaining about lack of end ganme content.





Please, do us all a favor and tell me what you want to see at end game.
See, this is another issue with these types of posts. I've yet to see one that has truly beaten all content, raided the entire end game, but all complaining that there is nothing to do.

We have one or two that are at 50 in our guild (and yes, we are a raiding guild), they are plenty busy with a myriad of things to do.

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flyersfan
02.04.2012 , 10:31 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Dalex View Post
What curve? Curve would be present if getting to 50 wasn't so trivial.
He means that not everyone has gotten to fifty yet. I know I haven't. I've been busy playing other characters and experiencing everything that I can. I'm getting closer and closer, but I'm still not there. There's still a good deal for me to do at fifty as well including all the Hard Mode Flashpoints, the two Operations, and other PvP endeavours.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dalex View Post
I don't care if the vast majority accept my opinion or not. If you're so impressed by mass effect with coop thrown in, why aren't you playing it now?
It's not out yet. 30 more days and I can't wait.

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Jalliah
02.04.2012 , 10:35 AM | #33
I do think it comes down to a matter of opinion. I detested leveling alts in WOW. My first toon was fun because of the newness but by the time I got to alt land I ended up giving up the game. (Lasted three months).

Here I already have 6 characters going and even with the repeated content it just doesn't feel like as much of a chore as WOW did.

This however isn't what I suppose could be classified as a 'hardcore' game. It is relatively easy but after playing beta I didn't expect it to be so I guess that's why I'm not personally disappointed. For me it is my 'casual' game that I putter around in with no real drive to push towards endgame. I figure at this rate it will be another month before my first character hits 50. It's not that I couldn't push one to 50. It's not hard I just find that it's not that type of game. When I played WOW it was more go go go.

As far as endgame goes I've heard (read) that it's not that spectacular at this time. Not really concerned about that though as it's just not a real goal. If and when I do get to endgame and find myself bored or not happy then I'll just take a break and go play something else until it either gets more interesting or better (or whatever) or I get bored with whatever other game I'm into. I really don't see doing this as a big deal. There's no great rule book in the sky that says I have to only choose ONE game and sub continuously forever and ever.

I know a lot of people seem to want one be all and end all game that they choose this way but with all the games out there and the multitude of choices out there I don't know if such a thing exists. I find playing multiple games whether concurrently or through subbing and resubbing keeps me from burning out or outplaying content on any one game.

For instance I play Rift for raiding. I've played out the content that exists beyond the top raid for the moment because at one time I played like crazy. I don't hate the game because of this. I just don't do anything in it besides the raiding because at this point that's what is fun. When new stuff comes I'll probably play it more for a bit and leave SWTOR on the back burner.

No big deal in my books.

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Blackardin
02.04.2012 , 10:36 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Dalex View Post
You clearly have not played Vanilla WoW or even TBC for that matter. The levelling, although not the main part of the game (as in SWTOR) at least gives you choice.

This game gives you a poor illusion of choice. It gets you from planet to planet in the same exact order with no choice in the matter. Even the VO options you read are meaningless and you can choose anything you want.

How exactly did I race to 50 either. I've just gotten there a few days ago and did every single quest while listening to every pointless VO fluff they added. I'm sorry I'm not terrible at leveling to indulge you, but its pathetically easy.

More Assumptions.

Played wow from day one. Was raid tank, guild officer, raid leader. Raided everything in game. Did hard modes. Had a number of server first. leveled every toon to at least 80. Guild burnt out after Ragnaros and moved here. You can look me up over there under the same name.

Wow is a good game for the type of play it involves. We moved here after reading up on it. We had no false expectations because we were informed by Bio as to exactly what the game would be like. There was nothing hidden, no cloak and dagger. They were right up front and delivered exactly what they said.


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How exactly did I race to 50 either. I've just gotten there a few days ago and did every single quest while listening to every pointless VO fluff they added. I'm sorry I'm not terrible at leveling to indulge you, but its pathetically easy.

So you actually have not done "everything?". Have you gotten all your datacronss? Have you maxed your tradeskill? Have you cleared all raid content on all levels? If not, the entirety of the argument is moot. Right?

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Uben
02.04.2012 , 10:36 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
So you have a full set of PvP gear, you beat all the operations and crushed all hard modes?

If you didn't...then where is the lack of end game content? Most successful MMOs use this same formula. Get to end game, then beat the hard stuff.

I am getting sick of hearing about "lack of endgame content" from people who haven't beat the end game content.

Its the same tired story you hear from WoW players who complain when some guild beat all the content but they aren't even done with it yet.

No, this game is not SWG. You can't dance in a cantina or become a moisture farmer (at least not right now). If you aren't satisfied you either need to un-sub and come back later or beat the content they currently have.
It depends what type and class of gamer he is, correct? Telling a guy who does not raid to use raids as HIS end game journey is not really viable is it? Or, telling that raider to go and pvp for HIS end game content is just as useless, right?

What about the guys who came here for the all-mighty story drive and could care less to pvp OR raid. What are THEY doing for end game?





-Tell them to play something else when there is another STAR WARS MMO. Otherwise if they are a fan and bought this game because of the Star Wars universe... there is NO alternative.

Right?

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Blackardin
02.04.2012 , 10:38 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Jalliah View Post
I do think it comes down to a matter of opinion. I detested leveling alts in WOW. My first toon was fun because of the newness but by the time I got to alt land I ended up giving up the game. (Lasted three months).

Here I already have 6 characters going and even with the repeated content it just doesn't feel like as much of a chore as WOW did.

This however isn't what I suppose could be classified as a 'hardcore' game. It is relatively easy but after playing beta I didn't expect it to be so I guess that's why I'm not personally disappointed. For me it is my 'casual' game that I putter around in with no real drive to push towards endgame. I figure at this rate it will be another month before my first character hits 50. It's not that I couldn't push one to 50. It's not hard I just find that it's not that type of game. When I played WOW it was more go go go.

As far as endgame goes I've heard (read) that it's not that spectacular at this time. Not really concerned about that though as it's just not a real goal. If and when I do get to endgame and find myself bored or not happy then I'll just take a break and go play something else until it either gets more interesting or better (or whatever) or I get bored with whatever other game I'm into. I really don't see doing this as a big deal. There's no great rule book in the sky that says I have to only choose ONE game and sub continuously forever and ever.

I know a lot of people seem to want one be all and end all game that they choose this way but with all the games out there and the multitude of choices out there I don't know if such a thing exists. I find playing multiple games whether concurrently or through subbing and resubbing keeps me from burning out or outplaying content on any one game.

For instance I play Rift for raiding. I've played out the content that exists beyond the top raid for the moment because at one time I played like crazy. I don't hate the game because of this. I just don't do anything in it besides the raiding because at this point that's what is fun. When new stuff comes I'll probably play it more for a bit and leave SWTOR on the back burner.

No big deal in my books.
This should be stickied.

Very well said.

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Uben
02.04.2012 , 10:44 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Jalliah View Post
I do think it comes down to a matter of opinion. I detested leveling alts in WOW. My first toon was fun because of the newness but by the time I got to alt land I ended up giving up the game. (Lasted three months).

Here I already have 6 characters going and even with the repeated content it just doesn't feel like as much of a chore as WOW did.

This however isn't what I suppose could be classified as a 'hardcore' game. It is relatively easy but after playing beta I didn't expect it to be so I guess that's why I'm not personally disappointed. For me it is my 'casual' game that I putter around in with no real drive to push towards endgame. I figure at this rate it will be another month before my first character hits 50. It's not that I couldn't push one to 50. It's not hard I just find that it's not that type of game. When I played WOW it was more go go go.

As far as endgame goes I've heard (read) that it's not that spectacular at this time. Not really concerned about that though as it's just not a real goal. If and when I do get to endgame and find myself bored or not happy then I'll just take a break and go play something else until it either gets more interesting or better (or whatever) or I get bored with whatever other game I'm into. I really don't see doing this as a big deal. There's no great rule book in the sky that says I have to only choose ONE game and sub continuously forever and ever.

I know a lot of people seem to want one be all and end all game that they choose this way but with all the games out there and the multitude of choices out there I don't know if such a thing exists. I find playing multiple games whether concurrently or through subbing and resubbing keeps me from burning out or outplaying content on any one game.

For instance I play Rift for raiding. I've played out the content that exists beyond the top raid for the moment because at one time I played like crazy. I don't hate the game because of this. I just don't do anything in it besides the raiding because at this point that's what is fun. When new stuff comes I'll probably play it more for a bit and leave SWTOR on the back burner.

No big deal in my books.
By that reasoning there should not be a monthly sub. It may as well be F2P if people are un-subbing after they get to the end and waiting a month or two for new content to re-sub again to complete it and then un-subbing again to play another game in the meantime...

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Dalex
02.04.2012 , 10:48 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
More Assumptions.

Played wow from day one. Was raid tank, guild officer, raid leader. Raided everything in game. Did hard modes. Had a number of server first. leveled every toon to at least 80. Guild burnt out after Ragnaros and moved here. You can look me up over there under the same name.

Wow is a good game for the type of play it involves. We moved here after reading up on it. We had no false expectations because we were informed by Bio as to exactly what the game would be like. There was nothing hidden, no cloak and dagger. They were right up front and delivered exactly what they said.





So you actually have not done "everything?". Have you gotten all your datacronss? Have you maxed your tradeskill? Have you cleared all raid content on all levels? If not, the entirety of the argument is moot. Right?
Really? So my argument is moot, because I haven't done everything... So then only a handful of people should be allowed to post anything on these forums since they have taken the time to play through the horrible crap.

I have maxed my tradeskills, guess what its completely useless. No gear matters from it whatsoever. Gotten all datacrons? Yes almost all of them, again that isn't what makes a game fun. No I haven't beaten all raid content on all difficulties. Beating an encounter that is the same besides for HP differences is again not fun, only longer. Not only that, but its an incredibly short affair (few weeks) and you have accomplished everything.

Bioware promised a game that introduced the story pillar and made it as relevant as the progression, exploration and combat pillars in their MMO, while incorporating all features than made other triple A MMO's great and catering to all players.

Guess I should have read between the lines which said : we are going to kill progression and exploration introduce buggy combat and milk the story pillar for all its worth until people realize they subscribe to an MMO, not a single player with a lame excuse for a coop thrown in.

Still I can't believe the Bioware defense force arguments here. Pretty soon people will be bashed for posting anything about this game that isn't positive.

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Blackardin
02.04.2012 , 10:59 AM | #39
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Really? So my argument is moot, because I haven't done everything... So then only a handful of people should be allowed to post anything on these forums since they have taken the time to play through the horrible crap.
Yes, your argument that there is no "end-game" when you have done nothing associated with end game (by your own admission you just got there), is absolutely moot. I'm not sure how I can make that any more affirmative then I have.


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Still I can't believe the Bioware defense force arguments here. Pretty soon people will be bashed for posting anything about this game that isn't positive.
No they won't, no they havn't. I have, myself posted constructive feedback regarding issues. I have a number of tickets in for bugs and issues. There is a difference between posting constructive feedback and screaming, "end game suxors", or parroting something that one heard on the internet.

There is where my issue lies. Have your opinion, but at least try the end game before running here and blasting it. Do the raids, do hard modes and come back and give the rest of us some feedback on the particulars of fights, problems, solutions.....but don't come here yelling thing and making false assumptions and expect not to be called on it, right?

Ats all I'm saying.

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Jalliah
02.04.2012 , 11:00 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Uben View Post
By that reasoning there should not be a monthly sub. It may as well be F2P if people are un-subbing after they get to the end and waiting a month or two for new content to re-sub again to complete it and then un-subbing again to play another game in the meantime...

I'm pretty sure that most companies take this type of player into consideration in their numbers. It's not that uncommon. Of course from their perspective the goal is to keep subs up continuously which hopefully will drive them to create content that does that. If in the case of SWTOR that means creating things like raids that can't be beaten in a couple of weeks then hopefully they will. If not then that's on them.

I'm not going to sub for a game where I'm bored or have played out what I find interesting. That does not mean that I hate whatever game it is. Played out is played out though. People play at different paces and sometimes that outpaces new content.

The main jist of my comments though is that I don't get angry at the game. Newer content takes time. In any game as long as new content comes at a regular pace then I'm happy, even if that means taking a bit of break waiting for it.

I would think that any company would be happy to have the subset of players that sub (and their money) even if it's only for a few months at a time and not quit altogether.