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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Maccaroth
02.04.2012 , 08:09 AM | #501
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian
So, your stated as fact, analysis, is completely untrue.
No, it's you who don't understand what I am saying. It's a MMORPG. RPG part stands for something. Role Playing Game. You mistake controlable (to some degree) NPC with the player character. I am in good RP guild so I know the difference between my character and my companion. You don't play/roleplay your companion. Only your self. This is a fact.
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face_hindu
02.04.2012 , 08:09 AM | #502
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
It doesn't list any requirement to consider those things. Each member has an opportunity to roll. It doesn't say anything about what you intend to do with the item. The only decision you need to make is whether you want others to have a higher chance to roll on an item, for whatever reasons you might want to do so.

Technically, rolling to sell the item for credits would be ok under the official rules. But personally, I am not going to do so. If someone else does, that is up them.
No, it doesn't list any requirements. It doesn't say "If you want to be a courteous player, don't Need on gear you can't use. However, if you want to be a jerk, feel free to select Need on whatever you want, without regard for your group members."

The game can't really "teach" you how to be a nice person, and it sure can't stop you from being a jerk, nor can your group members. The best they can do is kick you and ignore you. Happened to a BH who Needed on an Agent's chestpiece in Hammer two days ago on The Jekk Jekk Tarr. There was an Agent in the group (our healer, actually, and we waited about an hour to find a healer). The healer stopped and said "still trying to figure out why a BH needed on my chest". The BH said "it's for Mako". The tank said "not cool". I said "should've asked first". The BH said "whatever it's for Mako". The tank kicked him, we all put him on ignore, found another dps, and finished the FP.
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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 08:12 AM | #503
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
Removing someone is a group call, I said I would and so would everyone I know. I have yet to contradict myself.
If "I" is the pronoun that represents "group", then your first sentence is not a contradiction.

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If you are only in there to get equipment for you and your companion, you have no business grouping. If you have to roll need on something, make sure a PC can't use it first otherwise you are just a rude individual.
Because nobody every joins group looking for loot for themselves, only other people. It is my job to decide what loot you need, in return you will decide what loot I need? What is particularly wrong with people deciding for themselves what loot they need and just getting on with the adventure?

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Setanian
02.04.2012 , 08:14 AM | #504
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
What happened to oldschool MMO players that weren't self-entitled little turds?
Let me get this straight, you are saying you are entitled to kick people from the group who do not conform with your dictatorship of what button they press. So you are claiming entitlement to dictate to others. What was called people who felt they were self-entitled?

Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
I can remember a time where what you people suggest would have had you all crucified on a game and ostracized for the rest of said characters game life.
You're making that up. And here's the proof. I have played many, many online games in my 30 years online. And I have never once witnessed what you call general ostrication or indeed, any cricificions.

And, exactly how old school are you?
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StormWulff
02.04.2012 , 08:15 AM | #505
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
Your scale is opinion, much like my opinion in this thread. I would actually place myself at 3, with a sprinkling of 1. I would place you all at a 6th point

*Must have shinies for companions, even at the expense of the healer healing us more, or the tank taking more damage, or the dps increasing their effectiveness. Because I want my personal NPC to look great for when I run around cause nobody wants to group with me anymore. I need to complete my dailies and heroics somehow.

I never said to not roll so I can benefit, not once. Strawman is flawed. Removing someone is a group call, I said I would and so would everyone I know. I have yet to contradict myself.

If you are only in there to get equipment for you and your companion, you have no business grouping. If you have to roll need on something, make sure a PC can't use it first otherwise you are just a rude individual.

What happened to oldschool MMO players that weren't self-entitled little turds? I can remember a time where what you people suggest would have had you all crucified on a game and ostracized for the rest of said characters game life.

Keep on talking, you sound more like a you-know-where hunter/rogue by the second.
...You do realize what a self-entitled little turd this makes you look like right?

I will not say you are "Wrong" in your opinion, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it and I respect your right to have it. The difference is you are claiming other people's opinion is "Wrong", that is really the only part I have a problem with. If all you said was "This is what I think and I won't group with anyone who thinks differently!" I would respond with "Here here!" and offer you a cookie. Instead you are attempting to make those who disagree with you appear as though they are doing something they should not and that everyone will hate them for it...you are wrong. I can attest to this with the evidence that I have not once been booted from a group and yet I have "Need"ed for my Companions in every one of them. Where is your evidence that I am "Despised and never able to get in a group."?

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OddballEasyEight
02.04.2012 , 08:17 AM | #506
To the OP:
since you are clearly playing as a healer, there is a very easy way to influence behaviour like this.

if someone does this, you just stop healing them (and the entire group for that matter) and let them all wipe over and over during the flashpoint, whilst you just stand off to the side reaping the xp benefits of whatever they manage to kill.

Just make sure they know its because they rolled need instead of greed for something they really didnt "need"...
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Setanian
02.04.2012 , 08:19 AM | #507
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
No, it's you who don't understand what I am saying. It's a MMORPG. RPG part stands for something. Role Playing Game. You mistake controlable (to some degree) NPC with the player character. I am in good RP guild so I know the difference between my character and my companion. You don't play/roleplay your companion. Only your self. This is a fact.
I know exactly what the difference is between an NPC (I used to code them) and a PCC. That you are in a 'good' RP guild means squat.

Your whole argument is flawed. Companions are an extension of the CPP. The CPP cannot solo level without them. The companions *must* be geared to survive.

If you can prove to me that a player can *solo* 1-50 without ever using a companion, I'll withdraw my argument.
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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 08:20 AM | #508
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
No, it doesn't list any requirements. It doesn't say "If you want to be a courteous player, don't Need on gear you can't use.
It doesn't say that. However, it is pretty much the rule I follow. I don't have the inventory space to store things I can't use.

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However, if you want to be a jerk, feel free to select Need on whatever you want, without regard for your group members."
I am not telling any group members not to roll on things. If they need something, they should roll on it.

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face_hindu
02.04.2012 , 08:21 AM | #509
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Let me get this straight, you are saying you are entitled to kick people from the group who do not conform with your dictatorship of what button they press. So you are claiming entitlement to dictate to others. What was called people who felt they were self-entitled?
If someone ignores the group loot rules, the group leader is fully entitled and has every right to remove that player from the group.

Is this the first MMO you've ever played in your 30 years of online gaming?
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We make sword stone for keeper and pull they do it and excalibur come out. have no make stone to for sword we make sword box for sword to put sword in for sword.

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Setanian
02.04.2012 , 08:22 AM | #510
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
No, it doesn't list any requirements. It doesn't say "If you want to be a courteous player, don't Need on gear you can't use. However, if you want to be a jerk, feel free to select Need on whatever you want, without regard for your group members."

The game can't really "teach" you how to be a nice person, and it sure can't stop you from being a jerk, nor can your group members. The best they can do is kick you and ignore you. Happened to a BH who Needed on an Agent's chestpiece in Hammer two days ago on The Jekk Jekk Tarr. There was an Agent in the group (our healer, actually, and we waited about an hour to find a healer). The healer stopped and said "still trying to figure out why a BH needed on my chest". The BH said "it's for Mako". The tank said "not cool". I said "should've asked first". The BH said "whatever it's for Mako". The tank kicked him, we all put him on ignore, found another dps, and finished the FP.
Who ever claimed to 'need' on gear they can't use?

So, in your mind, being a nice player is dictating to other players what they roll 'need' on? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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