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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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face_hindu
02.04.2012 , 07:56 AM | #491
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
Here is what the SWTOR website says about need before greed looting:

http://www.swtor.com/gamemanual/exploring-the-galaxy

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Loot Rolls

When the group picks up a unique item, by default, all members have the opportunity to roll for the item. When an item is put up for a roll, a window appears displaying the item. A green meter counts down how much time you have to roll for the item. Select NEED or GREED to roll for the item, and a random number is generated for every group member. The player with the highest number is awarded the item. If you want a good chance at securing the item, select NEED. Otherwise, choose GREED if you want to give the other members a better chance at obtaining the item.
I have no complaints with this approach. If I want a good chance at securing the item, I will select need. Otherwise, I will choose greed to give others a better chance at securing the item.

Note that it does not say "if this item belongs to you, press need".
When the group picks up a unique item, by default, all members have the opportunity to roll for the item.

Was your companion a member? What about your alts? No?

Group members have more rights to a drop than non-group members, right? Don't they?
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StormWulff
02.04.2012 , 07:59 AM | #492
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
No, it sounds to me like he is saying that you can do what you like, just like he can. It's just if you don't do what he wants, you will get booted from the group.

If he tells you this before the roll (and you agree), then he is perfectly right to do so. If you break rules that were agreed to by the group, you should be booted.

EDIT: The official rule is "If you want a good chance at securing the item, select NEED." If the group agrees to something more restrictive, then that's what they agree to.
Agreed. Though I would say he is saying so in anything but a mature manner. I'm perfectly fine with people not grouping with people who have different opinions on how loot should be dispersed. I know he's the kind of person I would leave a group for, and that's good, because that way we all can continue doing what we want to do without having a big long discussion about how horrible the other person's choices are...

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Setanian
02.04.2012 , 08:00 AM | #493
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
No but 90% of the server will most likely not group with you if you do so. Have fun searching for groups for hours cause nobody likes you.

Do what you want mate, all it does is make you look greedy and selfish.
90% eh? Are they like real factual figures or ones you pulled out of your hat?
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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 08:01 AM | #494
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
When the group picks up a unique item, by default, all members have the opportunity to roll for the item.

Was your companion a member? What about your alts? No?

Group members have more rights to a drop than non-group members, right? Don't they?
It doesn't list any requirement to consider those things. Each member has an opportunity to roll. It doesn't say anything about what you intend to do with the item. The only decision you need to make is whether you want others to have a higher chance to roll on an item, for whatever reasons you might want to do so.

Technically, rolling to sell the item for credits would be ok under the official rules. But personally, I am not going to do so. If someone else does, that is up them. I still have the opportunity to roll on things that I choose to roll on.

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StormWulff
02.04.2012 , 08:02 AM | #495
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Was your companion a member? What about your alts? No?

Group members have more rights to a drop than non-group members, right? Don't they?
Yes, my Companion was part of the group. Because my main character was and the Companion is an extension of the main character(As proven by the fact they are part of my Character Sheet and I equip them by opening the Character Equipment page.). By improving my Companion, I improve my Main Character. So by your logic, that gives them just as much a right to the drop. Thank-you.

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Setanian
02.04.2012 , 08:04 AM | #496
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
When the group picks up a unique item, by default, all members have the opportunity to roll for the item.

Was your companion a member? What about your alts? No?

Group members have more rights to a drop than non-group members, right? Don't they?
Was I a group member? Yes I was so I have a call.

You are conveniently forgetting that you have absolutely no say in what I roll or how I roll or what I do with whatever I win. You seem to think that if you lose you get to then argue the result. You don't.
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Symbonis
02.04.2012 , 08:05 AM | #497
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
He's only a #3 on the greed scale.; you're a #5

From least greedy/selfish to most greedy/selfish
  • Guy who passes on everything
  • Guy who greeds on everything
  • Guy who hits need on the stuff that they think is appropriate to hit need on, and does not demand that anyone ever pass on an item in his favor.
  • Guy who hits need on everything, and does not demand that anyone ever pass on an item in his favor.
  • Guy who hits need on the stuff that they think is appropriate to hit need on, and demands that everyone else pass on an item in his favor because it meets some arbitrary criteria that he's defined that doesn't actually agree with the game's loot system.

I think that #3 is an acceptable position; #4 is a tad on the greedy side, but I usually won't bother saying anything about it.

#5 on the other hand, is being selfish enough that all people should call them out for it.

Looks like you're contradicting yourself. If you would choose to remove someone, then you're saying that it's your call.
Your scale is opinion, much like my opinion in this thread. I would actually place myself at 3, with a sprinkling of 1. I would place you all at a 6th point

*Must have shinies for companions, even at the expense of the healer healing us more, or the tank taking more damage, or the dps increasing their effectiveness. Because I want my personal NPC to look great for when I run around cause nobody wants to group with me anymore. I need to complete my dailies and heroics somehow.

I never said to not roll so I can benefit, not once. Strawman is flawed. Removing someone is a group call, I said I would and so would everyone I know. I have yet to contradict myself.

If you are only in there to get equipment for you and your companion, you have no business grouping. If you have to roll need on something, make sure a PC can't use it first otherwise you are just a rude individual.

What happened to oldschool MMO players that weren't self-entitled little turds? I can remember a time where what you people suggest would have had you all crucified on a game and ostracized for the rest of said characters game life.

Keep on talking, you sound more like a you-know-where hunter/rogue by the second.

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Setanian
02.04.2012 , 08:07 AM | #498
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
Your scale is opinion, much like my opinion in this thread. I would actually place myself at 3, with a sprinkling of 1. I would place you all at a 6th point

*Must have shinies for companions, even at the expense of the healer healing us more, or the tank taking more damage, or the dps increasing their effectiveness. Because I want my personal NPC to look great for when I run around cause nobody wants to group with me anymore. I need to complete my dailies and heroics somehow.

I never said to not roll so I can benefit, not once. Strawman is flawed. Removing someone is a group call, I said I would and so would everyone I know. I have yet to contradict myself.

If you are only in there to get equipment for you and your companion, you have no business grouping. If you have to roll need on something, make sure a PC can't use it first otherwise you are just a rude individual.

What happened to oldschool MMO players that weren't self-entitled little turds? I can remember a time where what you people suggest would have had you all crucified on a game and ostracized for the rest of said characters game life.

Keep on talking, you sound more like a you-know-where hunter/rogue by the second.
Who made you the final arbiter on what someone else does? Answer, no-one.

Toy can spout your threats and opinions all day, it won't remove the fact that you are being greedy.
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Tocaseven
02.04.2012 , 08:08 AM | #499
im having nightmares about this post living forever

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StormWulff
02.04.2012 , 08:08 AM | #500
It is worth mentioning: I believe it would be -rude- to roll for gear that would help someone else with the intention of giving it to someone else or an alt. But it doesn't mean they have any less right to the equipment. Whether something is rude or not, doesn't change the right of ownership.