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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Symbonis
02.04.2012 , 06:58 AM | #481
Quote: Originally Posted by crica View Post
Yes, that is EXACTLY what you came here to do - sook and moan because you decided you are more important then the whole group - you decided you are in charge and everyone can only loot the items YOU want them to loot, not the items they actually WANT to loot - and someone here said heck no, they are not going to help you do that, and that if you want ppl to help you that you actually have to help them in return.

too bad, so sad.
Nice selective edit there, WANT != NEED, try again.

Also, hypocrisy? pot, meet kettle.

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StormWulff
02.04.2012 , 07:12 AM | #482
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
No but 90% of the server will most likely not group with you if you do so. Have fun searching for groups for hours cause nobody likes you.

Do what you want mate, all it does is make you look greedy and selfish.
...Considering every group I've ever been in I "Need for Companions" and have never been booted from a Group, I'd call this a silly statement. If I'm grouping with friends, we communicate and discuss whether an item will be better for them or my Companion. If I'm in a random group, then I Need for whatever I think I Need. It's very simple, and in general people are polite enough to respect someone's right to choose whether or not they "Need" an item they worked for just as much as you did.

Your rights extend as far as infringing on mine. You have the right to decide how you choose your loot, I have that same right. Ironically...I HAVE been in groups where someone was booted for whining about not getting Loot they felt someone else didn't need.

So, here's the question:

What is the more mature and "right" thing to do:

1) Allowing only 1 of 4 people an opportunity to have gear simply because YOU believe you deserve it despite the fact that all 4 equally worked towards acquiring it.(Or whining should someone get said item and YOU don't believe they deserve it.)

or

2) Allowing everyone an equal opportunity to have gear everyone equally worked towards acquiring.

?...

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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 07:25 AM | #483
Here is what the SWTOR website says about need before greed looting:

http://www.swtor.com/gamemanual/exploring-the-galaxy
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Loot Rolls

When the group picks up a unique item, by default, all members have the opportunity to roll for the item. When an item is put up for a roll, a window appears displaying the item. A green meter counts down how much time you have to roll for the item. Select NEED or GREED to roll for the item, and a random number is generated for every group member. The player with the highest number is awarded the item. If you want a good chance at securing the item, select NEED. Otherwise, choose GREED if you want to give the other members a better chance at obtaining the item.
I have no complaints with this approach. If I want a good chance at securing the item, I will select need. Otherwise, I will choose greed to give others a better chance at securing the item.

Note that it does not say "if this item belongs to you, press need".

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Symbonis
02.04.2012 , 07:28 AM | #484
What is actually more mature is me not grouping with you, nor anyone like you, because my personal opinion is that you're a greedy greedy person.

I never said it was my call, nice of you to put words in my mouth. I merely said that I would choose to remove someone like you from group, so would anyone I know.

Have fun. Don't trip over your massive ego and I will try not to trip over mine.

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ferroz
02.04.2012 , 07:34 AM | #485
Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
I can't barely understand this run-on sentence. More school, less MMO.
its not a runon sentence. A runon sentence has multiple independentant clauses.

This sentence has 3 clauses, were one is dependent on the other via the word "if" and the other is dependant via the word "that".

clause 1: I am not going to a help random PuG full of strangers run group content
if
I am not going to get an equal chance to win the fruits of my labor
that
I personally decide I need.

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ferroz
02.04.2012 , 07:35 AM | #486
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
Nice selective edit there, WANT != NEED, try again.
the things that some people claim are needs are actually just wants.

calling it a need is just a way of saying "my wants are more important than your wants for my arbitrary reasons"

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ferroz
02.04.2012 , 07:38 AM | #487
Quote: Originally Posted by wolveroach View Post
Man you are so wrong, I want to write a math paper and make it a proof.
I invite you to do so. I have a feeling that I'd enjoy pointing out your logical flaws.

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Your kind of help means you and your SEVEN companions are rolling against twenty four other characters and companions (assuming a simple FP) should they play by your rules, the loot goes to the best random roll of a computer and the gear lands where ever trusting the decision of the fickle computer and chance gods. Any gear that ends up on a companion is effectively relagated to open world PvE and PvP.
Not really, I'm not likely to roll for more than one companion.

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By my rules, the four HUMANS get first dibs on their class items, after that it is a crap shoot. Those four characters will end up better geared and more effective in future group activities.
That's the same as my rules. The humans get first, and only dibs, since only the 4 humans actually get a roll. They can roll for whatever reason they like though.

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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 07:43 AM | #488
Want: something that will you advance towards your objectives in the game (such as things that will improve your fighting ability or appearance, depending what is important to you)

Don't Want: something that will not make any difference to your game experience beyond its value in credits (everyone needs credits, but the credits from any particular loot item isn't going to make too much difference)

Need: something that you must have to advance in the game. Quest items, for example, particularly for class quests which you can't abandon. If there was a key that you had to have before you were able to fly to Alderaan, that might count as a "need".

You don't need a +10 increase to your class stat. You want it.

EDIT: There is nothing wrong with wanting to increase your class stats. There is nothing wrong with wanting to gear your companion. But it is still just something that you want to do and not something that you must do with this particular item to continue playing (especially since there is other gear in both cases you could get if you don't get this one).

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ferroz
02.04.2012 , 07:45 AM | #489
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
What is actually more mature is me not grouping with you, nor anyone like you, because my personal opinion is that you're a greedy greedy person.
He's only a #3 on the greed scale.; you're a #5

From least greedy/selfish to most greedy/selfish
  • Guy who passes on everything
  • Guy who greeds on everything
  • Guy who hits need on the stuff that they think is appropriate to hit need on, and does not demand that anyone ever pass on an item in his favor.
  • Guy who hits need on everything, and does not demand that anyone ever pass on an item in his favor.
  • Guy who hits need on the stuff that they think is appropriate to hit need on, and demands that everyone else pass on an item in his favor because it meets some arbitrary criteria that he's defined that doesn't actually agree with the game's loot system.

I think that #3 is an acceptable position; #4 is a tad on the greedy side, but I usually won't bother saying anything about it.

#5 on the other hand, is being selfish enough that all people should call them out for it.

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I never said it was my call, nice of you to put words in my mouth. I merely said that I would choose to remove someone like you from group, so would anyone I know.
Looks like you're contradicting yourself. If you would choose to remove someone, then you're saying that it's your call.

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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 07:50 AM | #490
Quote:
Looks like you're contradicting yourself. If you would choose to remove someone, then you're saying that it's your call.
No, it sounds to me like he is saying that you can do what you like, just like he can. It's just if you don't do what he wants, you will get booted from the group.

If he tells you this before the roll (and you agree), then he is perfectly right to do so. If you break rules that were agreed to by the group, you should be booted.

EDIT: The official rule is "If you want a good chance at securing the item, select NEED." If the group agrees to something more restrictive, then that's what they agree to.