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Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

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Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

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Ghingis
02.04.2012 , 04:08 AM | #411
Quote: Originally Posted by KorwinOfAmber View Post
If Arena becomes a focus of SWTOR PvP, i`ll leave, so will many i know. Simple as that.

Focus on open world and GvG pvp and improve it.
Well balanced arena PvP will also make for balanced overall PvP everywhere else.
Also, this enginge doesnt support WPvP because it lags as soon as there is ~20 ppl at the same place.
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Ghingis
02.04.2012 , 04:09 AM | #412
Quote: Originally Posted by va_wanderer View Post
Arenas have wonderful skilled players.

That would be why you had such wonders as zone exploits (how did they get in my starting area before the match started?), GCD hacks, win trading, rating padding, and other such gems to insure the "good" got their high ratings in WoW. I can't think of a "clean" season in recent memory, and as long as that's the way of things, you can't call those arenas the height of PvP play. They're an attempt to fit an MMORPG character into the equivalent of Quake, and the box never has fit properly, nor will it.

Keep it casual. The good will still be good, but the massive impetus to cheat will no longer be there.
So what is the height of skilled PvP?

Zerging WZ's?
Ilum???

Dont get it.

Edit: Also, the good will still be good, but they wont be playing this game, because there is no challenge if there is nothing you can play competitively, which means that this game will just be boring. Currently un-subbed because there is no content for me to do right now that I enjoy, after getting full gear etc. Waiting for them to add something that will make me interested again.
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NinjaScroll
02.04.2012 , 04:12 AM | #413
Quote: Originally Posted by Negatyv View Post
This is not WoW.
+1

@Op If you want Arenas so bad, just go back to WoW... I heard they were offering exactly what you are looking for!

Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
Also, the good will still be good, but they wont be playing this game, because there is no challenge if there is nothing you can play competitively, which means that this game will just be boring.
I wonder what's the percentage of people who really want to be competitive in SWTOR.
If you're afraid to get bored at any point ... go back to WoW, I heard they were offering exactly what you are looking for!
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Allagash
02.04.2012 , 04:13 AM | #414
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
I played the same class in arenas non-stop from S2 to S9, playing all kinds of various comps at high ratings. Did not use any addons at all either, because I think they helped people too much, so I did not like them.

About number three, then how come so many people were not good at arenas at all?
Just because you didnt use addons, doesnt mean the other person didnt. Does it give you an advantage? You just said the answer in your above post.

Why were so many people not good at arena? There are sooo many answers to this. IE: You played a powercomp, they had supporting addons, your class sucked that season, you were high, drunk, 5 years old etc. The list goes on.

Ive played arena past 1800 it came down to powercomps and flavor of the month/addons, it didnt matter how good you were you still got stomped by whomever had the better combo.

I never used Arena based addons either, not because of your reasons, its because i didnt care if i made it to x benchmark. Once you log out nobody cares if you are on a 2200 + rated team. My wife never gave me a high five for being awesome at pvp but she does give me a high five (with extras!) for making dinner and doing laundry.

If arena is important to you, there is a game that has it. you want to feel good by doing it, by all means thats your god given right. To come to here and toot your horn about why x sucks and why you are so awesome, probably not a good idea.

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Xenthum
02.04.2012 , 04:15 AM | #415
If arena gear stats are the same, but look is different, then there's absolutely no reason not to have a 4v4 arena in SWTOR, AFTER bugs/exploits/balance are fixed.

The only people against it, under those conditions, are bad and don't want everyone to see a number next to their name to prove it.

I can't believe people DON'T want more PvP content on the PvP forum. If you don't like arena-style combat, don't participate. Don't run a mindless campaign against it.

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Gelich
02.04.2012 , 04:21 AM | #416
WoW hating is a fashion. Areans would be great, provided the whole damn game isn't being balanced around them. But that would take good PvP devs to pull that off.

Quote:
@Op If you want Arenas so bad, just go back to WoW... I heard they were offering exactly what you are looking for!
See? That's what I'm talking about. Idiocy.

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Ghingis
02.04.2012 , 04:50 AM | #417
Quote: Originally Posted by NinjaScroll View Post
+1
I wonder what's the percentage of people who really want to be competitive in SWTOR.
If you're afraid to get bored at any point ... go back to WoW, I heard they were offering exactly what you are looking for!
Sadly they arent, because the developers ****ed the balance up so hard that its simply not fun anymore. So bad devs destroyed arenas for me in that game.
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02.04.2012 , 04:53 AM | #418
Quote: Originally Posted by Allagash View Post
Just because you didnt use addons, doesnt mean the other person didnt. Does it give you an advantage? You just said the answer in your above post.

Why were so many people not good at arena? There are sooo many answers to this. IE: You played a powercomp, they had supporting addons, your class sucked that season, you were high, drunk, 5 years old etc. The list goes on.

Ive played arena past 1800 it came down to powercomps and flavor of the month/addons, it didnt matter how good you were you still got stomped by whomever had the better combo.

I never used Arena based addons either, not because of your reasons, its because i didnt care if i made it to x benchmark. Once you log out nobody cares if you are on a 2200 + rated team. My wife never gave me a high five for being awesome at pvp but she does give me a high five (with extras!) for making dinner and doing laundry.

If arena is important to you, there is a game that has it. you want to feel good by doing it, by all means thats your god given right. To come to here and toot your horn about why x sucks and why you are so awesome, probably not a good idea.
This is exactly what I mean, if you were above 1800, but below 2000 rating, how can you even START to talk about game balance or how arenas were like?

Because honestly, sorry to say, you have no clue about how arenas were, and what comps/gear did compared to actually being skilled and having nice teamwork.

Most people around 2000 rating would blame comps/gear/addons for not coming higher, when there was infact people with the same comp playing it up to top 10.

The only logical thing is that most people were not that great at arenas, and hence does not want it into this game, because that is the only part of the game were you could showcase skill over everything else. There is no way you can get around this, at all.
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darthmorbous
02.04.2012 , 04:59 AM | #419
Quote: Originally Posted by bovinity View Post
because they come from wow, and in wow there was a very widespread - but very mistaken - perception that every single change to class mechanics and numbers was due solely to pvp.

"stop nerfing my pve because of arena!" was a very, very common cry from people. They usually ignored the fact that most changes were due to pve concerns as well.

The warrior shield slam damage nerf was a good example. The pve community whined and whined that their pve was being nerfed because of pvp, even though blizzard very clearly stated that they wanted to spread out prot warrior damage across their other abilities rather than having 80% of prot warrior damage in pve come from one button.

It's funny, because in general pvp balance and fixes were practically ignored by blizzard. Legendary quality pve items in pvp, arena maps that still had serious terrain bugs (feared into the wall again, yay...) and other issues that just never got addressed.

So now we have these people in swtor, and they're just petrified of the idea of any sort of organized, competitive pvp because they still think that their pve dps/healing/etc will get nerfed into the ground if anything happens in pvp.

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iceperson
02.04.2012 , 06:34 AM | #420
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
i'm sure you are. i mean out of the 53 comps possible there are a whole 3 comps that make up the top 50%+ of arena teams right now. clearly comp isn't important. rofl
Oops. 53 comps would be with 8 classes, WoW has 10, so there are actually 120 possible comps.

So out of the 120 possible comps 3 make up more than half of the top teams. So please, don't come here and tell us it's all about skill and not about the comp, everyone who's not a complete idiot knows better.

Oh, and most of the glads I've known hated arena and didn't play more than the 10 games a week they were required. The people who arena is a small percentage of the overall population. The people who actually like arena is statistically insignificant...