What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

If I am in denial then explain to me what I am complaining about.

I have no problem with the closing the gear gap which is still going to be larger than handing out full champ.

I was merely explaining that most new 50's are actually out skilled, that they are deluded into thinking that it is gear that is holding them back.

A good pvper just hitting 50 will have near centurion equivalent 22 modded gear, 6 opened champion bags, 45+ valor. This good pvper will be able to outplay 70%+ of the the player base.

Those who are complaining about the gear gap are not pvpers. Most of them are bad.

If PvP gear should be removed then I would argue that all gear should be removed. Just make raids gradually harder so players need to be more skilled to advance. Everyone should be ok with that because they only raid because its fun and they want to experience new content, right?

The thrill that some rare gear might drop is not a big deal because "fairness" and "mad-skillz" are much more important factors to consider. And lvl's could also be removed becuase they were just implemented to restrict gear anyhow. And removing lvl's would be "fair" to those with awesome raiding skills that dont have time to level up. Then we add some social gear just for looks that are acquired through eternal mindless but easy sandbox grinding, because thats the only type of grinding that lazy ppl can stomach. (Btw I enjoy sandbox elements, just making a point.)

-I cant show off my tanking skills because I dont have the time to grind PvE gear, hence its fair to remove gear from PvE. This way I can show off my überness and get an enjoyable experience and the respect I rightfully deserve in the PvE community! (While wearing my favourite social gear ofc.) *Buhuuu* *whine* *whine* *whine* *cry*

Lets not kid ourselves, if you dont play enough PvP to get the gear you are probably not good at PvP anyhow. Because you don't play any PvP!!! If against all odds you aquired some awesome PvP-skills in another game and you want to show them off here, but you dont have the time to get the gear. The fact is that you played many hours, days, weeks and maybe years to get those skills, noone is born with gaming skills. Why should you not have to run through the loops in this game just because you got your skills elsewhere? Btw, if it feels like you are grinding you don't like PvP anymore, do something you like instead!!

If you want pure skills to shine like it never has in any other game then you should play Quake World (It's an improvement made by ID Software on the game Quake, and QW was released late in -96). It would probably take you at least 1 year of 8hrs of gaming per day to even be close to not completely embarrass yourself, but hey its fair! Here is the small but active community of skilled geesers:

http://www.quakeworld.nu/

Good Luck!

My conclusion: The 10-49 Bracket is like Flashpoints when you lvl up, its easy and realy fun. You believe you are good at it, but its actually just easy. At 50 kindergarden is out, the players who are good at PvP do good in the 50's bracket where the competition is hard. The players that are good at PvE get successfull Raids. Yes gear makes you better, its all working as intended!

There you have it. Now stop whining and play this fantastic game!!

What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

It has nothing to do with 'pvp aka expertise gear', but gear in general.

9 out of 13 of the VERY BEST gear for PvP and PvE is not grinded, but crafted.

You just have no idea an talk and I mean it. You can go the auction house and probably buy 5 of them almost immediately, however you can't because you don't even know what you are looking for, another reason why people tend to like 1-49 more, because there are a lot of people without a clue autoattacking all day long.

4 optimum pieces are raidgear, 3 require a crafter to have a schematic out of a raid and the rest is via profession and a couple of flashpoint hardmodes/puggable EV'S or KP's on normal for a hand full of crafting mats.

But let's agree getting as up and do a bit of the content for the very best gear obtainable is a huge grind.

This gameis far from grinding for gear you practically get the gear handed to you in a very unmanly way.

Hmm. I'm confused. People won't PvP without the carrot, but people are rerolling to PvP at lower levels where there is no carrot but play is more fun.

Hmm.

You sir are a Genius!!!!!!!

Only thing gear should do is look cool. Unfortunately their designers for knights must have not gotten the memo

I agree. People will always find something to whinge about. Even if they are on an even playing field they will alwyas cry someone is OP and scream for nerfs.

People keep saying that all the PvP gear is unfair on casual players... How is it unfair? As mentioned earlier the purpose of MMO's is to advance your character. So if you spend more time advancing your character shouldnt your character be better? Its common sense.

The unfortunate thing in MMO's particularly those that have PvP is that ALOT of players THINK they are good. Its not possible for them to lose because they are "skilled", blah blah blah. No one likes to lose. They want to be the best. But when someone shatters their fragile little world they get upset.
We saw this before the 50 bracket. With the 50's gone people then whinged about the 49's... If someone is of higher level they are going to be more powerful than you. To assume you are on par with them is just stupid. Now those people are hitting the 50 bracket and are getting rolled and crying their hearts out to no end, as they were the dominating force in 10-49... Now they are seeing they are at the bottom of the food chain. No one likes to admit that, so once again more whinging and re-rolling back to 10-49 so they can be the "big kid" and dominate the "noobs". Its the weak bullying the weak.

Just because you are lvl 50 doesnt mean u should be the same as everyone else. Once you are 50 imagine it rangin from 50 - 70. The 70's being fully Battlemaster geared. Its no different than that, with those who have dedicated more time ot their character reaping the rewards. I fyou think playing 1 - 2 hours every 2nd or 3rd day should entitle you to being as geared or powerful as someone who plays for say 5hours every day, then you need to wake up to yourself.


Getting rid of PvP gear wont do crap. As mentioned the raid gear will then dominate. Hell you think Expertise of 600+ is bad wait til every time you get hit being crit for 2k+ from basic attacks, not to mention the big attacks criting for like 4-7k. Raid gear is just as powerful. With my Marauder I lose expertise, but gain more armour, more endurance and ****loads of crit. Expertise makes me do 11-12% more damage... My crits do almost 70% more, with low crit gear on i crti for jst over 33% of the time... Throw my raid gear on and you will cry for crit reductions.

The only way you fix that is aboloish all gear... destroy all stat bonuses on it and make it so every piece of gear is exactly the same. But then thos ewho have collected datacrons and matrix shards will have an advantage with their increased stats, etc... And then you will cry about that because they are better than you. You'd have to have everything exactly the same, and even then i fyou got beaten people would still cry for changes.

People need to do 2 things:
1. Realise they are not as "skilled" as they think they are.
2. Accept that someone who dedicates more time to their character is going to have advantages over someone who doesnt.

You can't start taking boxing lessons and think you are more than a match for Mike Tyson.

Ok this is what I dont understand. Do people just want to reach 50 and then just pvp for pvp sake? If thats the case thats fine, but the problem is if there is not stats to track then its nothng to really work towards. Having to get better gear is really no different then leveling in the first place, so eventually if enough people grind out the better gear then everyone will be on an even playing field and it will then be all about skill.


There has to be an endgame at some point, but at least once you reach 50 there is more to work for. The game has been out a month+ and you cant have expected BW to up the level cap with a new expansion already.

Is it a perfect system? no.

If you work at it you will eventually be on the same level and then it will be about skill and you can show off your awesomeness. Who knows by the time you gt you BM gear maybe there will be more things like leader boards.

I guess I just dont understand what the difference is. You work to reach level 50 and have all your skill, build your tree etc. and then you have to work to get your armor. I see no difference.

well sad to say but if you get people who want to play a mmo and see pve and pvp as a whole... and not people who want a "team fortress for dummy" there is no problem

a lot of "problem" in mmo today is that most player who want to play that kind of game dont like the core principles of it...
beg for stuff that make you more powerfull then the next guy
...to do the same instanced pve raid and the same instanced pvp arena again and again

not a problem that gear play a role but when gear can get so powerfull that it's all that matter...
from the promise of virtual worlds in the first mmo now we are now getting some weird counter strike... a bunch of "map" and "virtual roll dice" for aim, dodge and damage

"expertise" is a total aberration, a mistake made in a successfull game so dev think its now a "must have"
i don't have a grudge against Wow but it did more bad then good to the genre

I know a lot.... a lottttt of level 50's that re rolled.

But not because 10-49 is better and more fun. They did it because they do their dailies to get the best gear in the game then do something that's actually productive afterwards than farm 500 games for the next PvP title which has no correlation to PvP skill.