Damage Meter, how to get if you want?

Is there seriously no combat log at all?

I know there is no addon that displays everyones information on my UI. But surely there is a combat log of my characters actions.

I can completely understand why some people may not want add-ons available for the game. But to completely write 'choice' off and force everyone to play 'your' way is pretty selfish, wouldn't you say?

I remember a time when you played a game to have fun and determined what you were doing from 'feel' and 'skill'...

Not when you have a meter that says "stop dpsing, hold my hand now quick... we're crossing a road" -.-

Go away.

We don't need no stinkin DPS meters here...

What they said. If you want to theory craft and dittle **** around go play your cartoon game with pandas some of us play for this thing called "fun" and a challenge. Wheres the team work and difficulty if your "damage gauge" does it for you. Why even play an MMO? For that matter get rid of Mandatory ABS and Air Bags maybe people will drive better AND game better if someone makes them do this new thing called THINKING. Critical thinking people it works. You really don't need a program to tell you what to do. Talk to your friends discuss your difficulty's and successes with friends.... Is that not the point of an MMO?

It was removed cause they felt it didnt work well... but are redoing it.

People saying that DPS meters aren't required to improve your DPS and hold other DPSers accountable is like the argument on the healer forums about having a healing addon or at least enabling mouseover macros.

Sure, I can drive my car with my feet.

But it's not fun, and if I can drive with my hands I can focus more on the fun while driving rather than trying to consecrate on coordinating my limbs.

With DPS meters, sure I can browse the forums, do my own testing, see how much damage my abilities do based on my stats, calculate their cooldowns and see how I can best coordinate them so I do good damage.

But is that fun? Hell no, unless you love Mathematics (and sure some people do).

I haven't experienced end-game raiding in Beta or in this game yet (too early obviously) but if it is anything like WoW or Rift, meters will be required to help you figure out who is slacking, how they can improve, and what the best rotation is.

And yes there is ALWAYS a best rotation, this is a role-playing game, there are stats, and numbers are numbers.

I levelled through Rift with mediocre groups that were able to do dungeons fairly ok, but nothing amazing.

3 months later I levelled a second toon, DPS rotations were much more widespread, as were the best damage specs, and I joined up with a group of players who had mastered these, and we tore through dungeons in 15-20 minutes instead of the usual 40-60.

And this is just dungeons, which are easy, especially since you can outlevel and outgear them.

End-game raiding is not going to be outlevelled, so you will need to perform well to be able to defeat it.


To the people claiming that in Vanilla WoW you had 15 people carry the other 25 and no DPS meters were needed, sure, but those were HUGE raids and Blizzard were able to scale them adequately.

With only 8 or 16 man raids available in SWTOR, 1 or 2 people slacking is going to make a much bigger difference.

Sorry for the wall of text, I'm not an 'elitist' player, I never got end-game content down before the nerf or next patch in WoW, but I did do my damnest to try, and without meters to show which of our DPS was slacking, which of our healers was slacking, and to help them improve, I would have given up a long time ago.