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Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

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Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

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Iamurfriend
02.03.2012 , 05:01 PM | #351
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
This is simply not true, every rogue playing at top 10 ratings were pretty much full-on stacked with PvP gear simply because of how quickly they got bursted without it.

PvE stacking in arenas ONLY worked on lower ratings, no class could use more then 3-4 PvE parts max without gimping themselves too much.
Oh I agree with you for the most part. I'm talking about a rogue using 3-5 pve pieces rather then just maximizing resilience.

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Kaliem
02.03.2012 , 05:02 PM | #352
Quote: Originally Posted by TripleAstyle View Post
Ive dabbled in WOW arena with a druid/lock combo.... ..

IF THEY ADD ARENAS, why not just have BETTING/GAMBLING for credits be the reward? Possibly teams can challenge and wager eachother, with NO GEAR rewards. This will eliminate any "extra" grind, while giving the top teams notoriety and some extra ching!

Really what would the argument be with this? Other than crybaby arena teams saying they want more... this is the MMO lifestyle though.
I really like this idea, I'd take this over gear.

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Iamurfriend
02.03.2012 , 05:04 PM | #353
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaliem View Post
Actually it wasn't when you had friends, granted some comps I played where strong (oh and no I rarely played healer comps for more than a day or two) for example, Shadowpriest rogue was always fairly strong in the upper quadrant of decent, but then I'd roll out some enhance Rogue, or enhance mage, or maybe some ret paladin warrior hunter, or oh my lord it would take me forever to relay every comp I played in all those years .
and as I said varying success. sometimes I'd be up around 2200/2300 missing Gladiator as a strong dps comp, like Mage rogue warlock, othertimes i'd be sat around 1800/1900 not really moving so much playing enhance shadowpriest prot pally, the comp never got me down, the struggle was fun.


Even if all my friends are on and willing to subject themselves, I'm still only 50% playing with people I want too. and the other half drags my soul away in a game or two.


And that's all fine and dandy, I never once said I thought your reasons for liking objective based combat was wrong, if you like that all well in good, whats wrong with me having my preference.


I already went over this, suffice to say I found healer vs healer comps gave too much of a net for mistakes to be made.

I never said it wasn't flawed. One team did have a advantage as the gates opened, but it didn't define the end result.


They said they're adding rated warzones so the same thing is going to be happening anyway, just from that instead.

I've lost many warzones, I had High warlord, and champion on two other characters back in Vanilla. and yeah doing premade vs premade was reasonably fun for a while, but I never looked back after arena, oh and I've never complained at anyone on my team for losing, because I don't take it seriously, just like I've never complained about losing an arena match, at the end of the day it's a game, why upset people randomly over pixels, when you can just sign up again and try harder?


You seem like a very serious, slightly angry man. Let go once in a while.
lol this guy just owned you bro

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Kolbenito
02.03.2012 , 05:07 PM | #354
Quote: Originally Posted by Metalmac View Post
Really show me a top world player that was wearing all PVE gear in all Arena matches?

Or even half?

Go for it....
Didn't say full PVE gear, said PVE gear. Weapons, trinkets usually.
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nametakenz
02.03.2012 , 05:08 PM | #355
Im pretty sure so many people are against it because its a true measure of skill and there really isnt one in the game atm.

Heres an example from yesterday. This really terrible powertech was talking about how he is probably the best powertech on the server because hes battlemaster and blah blah. But he is pretty bad

90% of people are very bad at pvp but the current system still allows them to run around with "battlemaster" or higher titles and impress other people

Arena would give the coveted titles to people with skill only...

people that could get these titles 2%
people that could not 98%

You now have 98% of the people against arena in swtor

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Delavager
02.03.2012 , 05:13 PM | #356
Lol why are we talking about WoW PvE items? It doesn't matter.

WHEN they implement arena (cause they will eventually), it probably won't be like WoW. So to quote WoW issues is pretty useless.

BW WILL implement arena (eventually) how they deem fit. They'll probably take WoW as an example of a lot of stuff NOT to do.

Saying "Balance will then be about Arena" is a pretty useless argument. Balance struggle between Operations and Warzones already exist. They could make Arena secondary and say "eff it" to balance in Arenas and soley focus on Warzones for balance.

Basically they can do anything they want with Arena, and they will do it eventually.

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BothanFourTwenty
02.03.2012 , 05:22 PM | #357
Quote: Originally Posted by Delavager View Post
Lol why are we talking about WoW PvE items? It doesn't matter.

WHEN they implement arena (cause they will eventually), it probably won't be like WoW. So to quote WoW issues is pretty useless.

BW WILL implement arena (eventually) how they deem fit. They'll probably take WoW as an example of a lot of stuff NOT to do.

Saying "Balance will then be about Arena" is a pretty useless argument. Balance struggle between Operations and Warzones already exist. They could make Arena secondary and say "eff it" to balance in Arenas and soley focus on Warzones for balance.

Basically they can do anything they want with Arena, and they will do it eventually.
I highly doubt they will put it in the game with things being said by certain individuals who implemented it in WoW. Not unless it is a DRASTICALLY different type of arena.

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Kolbenito
02.03.2012 , 05:27 PM | #358
It depended on the state of the game. I played Warrior, no reason at all to wear PVE gear in TBC. ArP was just too good in WotLK to pass up (PVE gear from raiding). Cataclysm back to no reason to wear any PVE gear except maybe a supertigerbloodonkulus trinket from the easy mode raids.

In addition to the challenge of balancing classes for PVE and PVP this is like the other side of that coin. Keeping PVE gear out of rated games PVP is not going to be easy. It's not fair to raiders to skimp on gear for them, and it's not fair to PVP to have PVE items be that good.

This game already has some complaints about that with some 2 piece bonuses on the Rakata set. I don't know about specifics of which 2 piece. It's just part of that whole thing of having PVE and PVP in the same game where people do both. I am not jealous of the guys who's job it is to sort all this stuff out and make everyone happy lol.
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Knifewrench
02.03.2012 , 05:27 PM | #359
Find a viable team in any format that does not have a sage/sorc or merc/commando in it.
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Noctournys
02.03.2012 , 05:27 PM | #360
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
This is simply not true, every rogue playing at top 10 ratings were pretty much full-on stacked with PvP gear simply because of how quickly they got bursted without it.

PvE stacking in arenas ONLY worked on lower ratings, no class could use more then 3-4 PvE parts max without gimping themselves too much.
I think you werent even playing when what we're talking about happened.

Until they linked Cheat Death to resilience..

no top rated rogue wore more than about 5% resilience.

The boost they got to dodge/parry/damage output from PvE gear was simply too great and their survivability didn't suffer at all.

Warriors through S4 wore PvE gear in every slot they could get away with. ArPen was simply far too good and scaled FAR too well to do otherwise.
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Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11