PvP Healing is Imbalanced

I don't agree. It's the other way around.


Equal Base values, or relative percentages "seem" out of order. But you assume HPS and DPS is equal which is not the case.

It's more like 150DPS + 10% VS (100HPS+10%+10%Defense).

From my personal expirience it get's worse with higher expertise because when you factor in Buffs, the base value of DPS is even more favored.

Low base Value of Defence doesn't add up as much as healing and DPS does either.

15% Expertise stim is less for 100HPS than 15% on top of 150DPS.


Expertise favors DPS not Heal.

The reason most high Expertise Healers start to survive is their HP pool get's big enough to survive bursts. In the end, Expertise + larger HP Pool is what shifts the free kill status of healers to though cookies.

And DPS despite getting stronger need to start thinking and use different tactics than just to chain cc and burst initially.

Yes i am aware that the dps base value is higer than base hps value otherwise we would have immortal healers issue. The main problem is that its hard to determine even rough base values and the disparity on dps clases. Without ability to check them we can't estimate how much expertise advantage on healing is closing the disparity bewen dps and healing. It also doesnt change the snowball effect on healer stacking.

You have also opened another cans of worms aka sustainablity of dps vs sustainablity of healing and burst vs ehp.

Nonsense, their healing output is fine and their survivability is fine too. ESPECIALLY the latter. Just make healing troopers/BHs throw T1 PvE loot, being PvE bosses that need a group.

It is funny that your example is a Commando, which is the most durable healer under short term focus fire because of their CDs. Then you extrapolate that to all healing being too powerful. Maybe you should look to your own play first:

Did you stun/CC the Commando when he put the bubble up?
Did you and your friend chain CC to give a burst window?
Did you utilize your CDs, including relics and/or adrenals?
Did you interrupt the fast heal (Advanced Medical Probe) while Super Charged Cells was up?
Alternatively did you interrupt the slow heal (Medical Probe) when super charged cells was not up?

If you answered no to several of these questions you need to improve your play. If you answered yes to all those questions you are either lying/don't understand the questions, the healer had assistance in the form of guard or off-heals, had all of his CDs up, or is one of the best healers to play the game.

Video or it didn't happen.

I am calling BS on those numbers, 3-4k a second and you couldnt down the healer even though there was 2 of you?!?!

As I said video to prove it please otherwise it's not a L2P issue, you are just plain lying.

Healing is outrageous right now in PvP. Now I know I'm going to get a lot of L2P comments here and a lot of people saying dont nerf my class. This isnt what my goal is.

For example:

I play a Marauder and I am in full champion gear(not yet lvl60 valor) and in a recent wz me an another person sat on this Commando healer. Using my 20% healing debuff and interupting every 8 seconds causing a 4 second lockout of the spell and hitting consistantly for 2-4k "ROUGHLY" every second or two, the Commando was able to stay around full hp for a good 15-20 seconds before we got killed by other players.

This is not intented to be singling out Commando healing, but instead all healing in Pvp.

As we all know, if one side of a wz has no healers and the other side has even 1 to 2 healers 9/10 the side with the healers will dominate. As far as I know healers can crit for up to 6k(highest I have seen so far) but considering that we have around 16k hp in full champion gear give or take 1-2k, that one heal is over 40% hp and has a 3 second cast pre alacrity/haste. The cast time isnt unreasonable but the ammount is a little bit much.

As it stands now, without extremely well placed CC and burst it is near impossible to kill a healer that only has to stand in place and cast. Now if a healer is on the run and doesnt stand and cast and you continue the attack there is a much better chance of killing them. I want to hear other peoples opinions on this subject.

Do not leave L2P or any other insulting comments.

To be fair, you don't really sound like you're specced to deal with healers.

If your interrupt is on an 8second cooldown you haven't specced it down to 6seconds. And if you've not specced that down to 6seconds, I think it's probably fair to assume you aren't based in the Annihilation tree, so you also wouldn't have specced your Force Charge down to 0 range.

At 50 you've got 4 ways to interrupt someone:

1. Force Charge
2. Disruption
3. Force Choke
4. Intimidating Roar

Since you're not (I assume) in the Annihilation tree, you can't really count Force Charge on your list, since you'd need to run away or be knocked back to use it. That leaves you with an 8second interrupt, then a stun and incapitate with a 60s cooldown on each.

You are able to interrupt 4 casts in a row before you've got to wait 8 seconds for Disruption to recycle. So of course you're not going to be able to take down most healers. They get more than one heal they can turn to when you interrupt them, can stun you, knock you back, etc.

My Marauder is specced specifically to handle casters. That's not to say I can't hold my own against non-caster classes, but I specifically wanted to be able to deal with the players who cause the biggest headaches in PvP (healers).

My Disruption recycles in 6 seconds.
My Force Charge recycles in 12 seconds, and has 0 range.
That means I can interrupt a cast, then interrupt another cast as soon as that 4 second lockout is over. By which point I only need to wait 2 seconds before Disruption is recycled to interrupt again.

I can fall back on a Force Choke to interrupt immediately after that, letting skills recycle for 3seconds unless they use their CC breaker. If they don't break CC, my Disruption will be ready before they finish a cast. By this time my Force Charge is almost ready to be used again, or you could use your Intimidating Roar (which will break but will still have interrupted). If you used your Roar, Force Charge will have recycled, and your Disruption will be available in 1 second.

If you get knocked back at any time, you will have Predation specced to boost your speed 80%, or you can pop your stealth to close the distance without getting cast on, or you can Force Charge (if it's up).

The Annihilator tree is the tree you want to spec in if you want to be able to kill healers. You will be a thorn in their side, and can totally remove them from the equation. But you can't claim that healing is imbalanced when you're not specced to deal with healers. That'd be like a Juggernaut specced for DPS saying tanking is broken.

Problem as i have been state sense beta is the lack of healing counters. At the moment only marauder/Sentinel has a healing debuff (and the effect does not stack). Coupled with the poor interrupt mechanics. A interrupt should not lock down a single ability ,it should lock down the "school" (ie all associated "spell" abilities).