Announcing The Old Republic Guild Summit

Stephen, I find it interesting that you acknowledge that people were giving constructive feedback before AND after launch, and we also mustn't forget that infamous "Wall of Crazy" which the devs mentioned a few times which apparently contains a wide range of things which both the devs AND players have suggested.

You also apparently have metrics, individual constructive feedback on the forums, bug reports, in-game report feedback, etc, etc on a variety of subjects.

So, Stephen, the question begs:

What exactly do you hope to accomplish with this summit (in regards to making the game "better") that you didn't either already know, or could find out in a more "convenient" and concise means?

By this I mean, please give us an example of how YOU (bioware) think this "summit" will be beneficial to the continued development of this game, in ways that cannot be achieved via a more concise and cost effective means.

And please don't give us this "open discussion...blah blah" marketing speech because that isn't giving a straight forward answer. We already have an "open discussion" medium, on these forums.

Side note: Words and promises are hollow and worthless until action is taken. So perhaps the effort that is being put into this "summit" would be better spent actually making this product better. Not just talking about it.

You appear to be inferring that every player who isn't in a guild is a mindless moron who isn't worth listening to. That's a very elitist and presumptuous perspective. Furthermore, you are giving guild leaders way too much credit. They do NOT represent the majority of the playerbase because they will be biased, and have their own agendas which aren't necessarily in line with the concerns of others.

I also disagree with your automatic assumption that "much of end game content is accomplished through guilds". You make it sound like a necessity. Which isn't the case. Sure, being in a guild makes it easier to get into raids. But that doesn't hold for other forms of end game content.

Besides, too much reliance on things like raids as the main form of end game content is a bad move anyhow. There's lots of end game content that this game could have, which wouldn't necessitate being in a guild.


In short: If Bioware truely want to get the honest opinions of the community, then they should ask the ENTIRE community using a medium that is concise and convenient for all. Not just "hand pick" particular guild leaders and assume that their views are representative of the majority.

Regardless if you agree or disagree with the summit, the current state of endgame, and how the game works... ignoring that being in a guild makes it easier for all endgame content is just putting a blind eye to the obvious

Much end game content is being done by guilds. Raids, Open world PVP and warzones are often done by guilds.

How often do you see people, who are not in guilds, at any of these events?


I understand you don't agree with the summit, but don't down play the value of guilds in an MMO

You folks are very amusing.

So for a guild summit, about guilds and guild functionality and for the purpose of discussing future possiblities for guilds they did something crazy and chose a subset of those folks who had the founded current Star Wars guilds.


There is some serious entitlement issues certain folks need to work through.


Personally I think it's a great idea and applaud BioWare for reaching out to the Guilds for their input.

Well done BioWare!


Alodar

i say without Guild Summit
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...60#post2395960

And perhaphs due to your despotic and arrogant replies we should just unsubscribe because if your any indication of what the game will become, then no thanklyou.

Quoted the whole thing for truth, it's exactky how I feel and if this game follows the same path as the previous rpgmmo I played then my subscription wont go beyond 6 months.

I couldn't have said it better if I tried.

No mention is made in the announcement that it's specifically about guild specific activities.

If you read my post again, I haven't downplayed guilds at all.

Besides, do you actually have metrics which state that "much end game content is done by guilds" (inferring that an activity only includes players from the same guild, and no one else)? Because to me, that sounds like a wild guess.

The fact is, you DON'T HAVE to be in a guild to get involved in things like open world PVP, warzones, dailies, crafting, and flashpoints. The only playstyle that is more likely to be "guild orientated" is in fact raiding. And thats only because it's hard work to find a pug.

Being in a guild isn't a necessity. That's a fact. But more relevant is the fact that each guild and guild leader will have their own guilds best interest at heart, which is not necessarily in line with the rest of the population. So to assume that a "select" few individual guild leaders are naturally representative of the majority of players, would be a fallacy.

My point is that if Bioware really do want to get the latest opinions of the ENTIRE community, then they should ask the ENTIRE community. Not just "Cherry Pick" a few guild leaders, and assume that their views are representative of the community as a whole.