Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

I've spent more than 1 hour spamming General (while also flagged for LFG with proper comment) trying to do Mandalorian Raiders before giving it up in favor of Warzone PvP (which is more accessible).

Guess what?? Random people yelled at me because of the LFG spam (which wasn't abusive at all), and when I replied to them that it wasn't my fault Bioware didn't implement a Flashpoint finder. The very same people who yelled at me were mostly anti-LFD like half the people in this thread.

I find it just stupid when people doesn't want the LFD tool under the stupìd excuse of it "ruinining communities" while yelling at me for spamming "dps LFG mandalorian raiders" every 2 mins.

Still wow is losing subs, still people complain a lot about the tool etc. I am sure if Chilly would tell you that wow has flying cows, you would also buy it.

WoW is losing subs because it's 7 and a half years old game and people just got bored of it. Warcraft died with Arthas, and whatever came after is just filler content, including Kung-Fu Pandas and Pokemon.

Please name these games and please dont even dare to say wow or Rift - they are not old games.

By "older" games he mean anything before SWTOR. Rift is quite new and mostly a failure since it was launched, not because of the game itself but Trion marketing it as the "WoW-killer".

Ok where did you read this? This is just your own opinion, but notthing more.

LOTRO.
Rift.
WoW
Everquest II (yes, this one too).

If you would had played 7 years ago, then you would understand that fact. People who just played a few years cant understand these things. The behaivour has changed, this is a fact, to deny that fact is your way but its still a fact.

Tell me, in a reasonable way, how did the General, Guild, Trade, and LocalDefense channels changed since the past 7 years, other than the re.tarded LFG spam.

Thats actually not true. Even at wow with its currently almost 10 mio accounts, only a few hundred thousand are using the tool. There was once a nice picture at MMO Champ, just look it up. If I remember it was close to 1Mio, characters - since most people play 2 or 3 you can easily get the numbers.
And that nobody of them does complain is a myth, check the forums at wow - you will see the truth there.

There is no way to know how many players use it or not. But the truth is, content became way more accessible than before, specially raiding.

There is ninja looting at wow. Even the LFR with its adjusted looting system still has a way open exploids like with trinkets, amuletts.

SWTOR doesn't have a LFD/LFR tool yet, and if they ever implement it (which they will, no matter what you detractors say) Ninja-looting shouldn't be an excuse anymore if proper, and I mean REAL gear restrictions are put in place since day ONE.

Which does not exist in any game so far. The only thing you can do atm. is ignore people, but there is no way of adding them to your f list or even talking to them, outside of the group. I tried this because that 1 good group I had in years I wanted to keep - it did not work.

True, but this could be improved by adding a Global Tag system, much like the one in CoH or Blizzard's RealID.

Wow, the first true fact in your post. While you are right, explain to me please how I can look for them directly, in an automated tool? There is no button for that, show me how to filter the kids, unskilled and elitist´s so that I can play with the good guys and we are ready to go. Until then, that fact does not help anyone at all.

You can find them in your own server too, which is way worse imo.

If you ignore them, whats then? He is still in the group and does do stupid things. He can still initiate kicks for friends of mine, he can still ninja pull or take loot etc.

Just kick them or leave and start again. Once again, bringing Ninja-looting to the table in a game that doesn't even have a LFD system is just plain stupid.

They have more fact´s than you in your post atleast.

Once more i see people spouting off personal experiences and opinions with ZERO bases in facts.
I can counter every cross server lfd sucks and most runs are bad with cross server lfd with my own personal experiences and opinions that cross server lfd in multi games i am playing are great and the majority of runs ore great!

And since you can do so, you have a more valid opinion? Ok, if you think so...

Fact: devs in multi mmo's have stated their cross server lfd are a success! stating that more players than ever before are running and completing the content.

Still wow is losing subs, still people complain a lot about the tool etc. I am sure if Chilly would tell you that wow has flying cows, you would also buy it.

That is whats called a correlation, not causation. Just because two things happen at once doesn;t mean they are causally linked. I have a empty soda can and never been attacked by a tiger, doesn't mean the soda can repels tigers.

Fact: even older games are adding cross server lfd tools.

Please name these games and please dont even dare to say wow or Rift - they are not old games.

Fact cross server lfd tools are now considered a common mmo tool ( more games have them than dont).

Ok where did you read this? This is just your own opinion, but notthing more.

Fact: there is no proof that server communities are destroyed with cross server lfd tools. There is only personal opinions.

If you would had played 7 years ago, then you would understand that fact. People who just played a few years cant understand these things. The behaivour has changed, this is a fact, to deny that fact is your way but its still a fact.

The WoW community was in the trash well before any LFD tools came out. A simple glance of public chat channels during the time could show you that.

Fact: millions of players in multi mmo's use cross server lfd tools ona daily basis and never complain.

Thats actually not true. Even at wow with its currently almost 10 mio accounts, only a few hundred thousand are using the tool. There was once a nice picture at MMO Champ, just look it up. If I remember it was close to 1Mio, characters - since most people play 2 or 3 you can easily get the numbers.
And that nobody of them does complain is a myth, check the forums at wow - you will see the truth there.

Fact: there is ZERO ninja looting with a good need/greed system in cross server lfd(some thing we do not have here yet).

There is ninja looting at wow. Even the LFR with its adjusted looting system still has a way open exploids like with trinkets, amuletts.

Fact: with cross server lfd, cross server friends list and cross server invite and cross server whispers your friends list has more people available to add to.

Which does not exist in any game so far. The only thing you can do atm. is ignore people, but there is no way of adding them to your f list or even talking to them, outside of the group. I tried this because that 1 good group I had in years I wanted to keep - it did not work.

City of heroes lets you communicate cross server and SoE games let you communicate across GAMES. It's quite easy to implement actually.

Fact: good people exist out side of just your own server.

Wow, the first true fact in your post. While you are right, explain to me please how I can look for them directly, in an automated tool? There is no button for that, show me how to filter the kids, unskilled and elitist´s so that I can play with the good guys and we are ready to go. Until then, that fact does not help anyone at all.

The same way you do it same server, talk and interact with them. Again if you don't like the tool don't use it. If most people are using it and you can't get by without it then too bad so sad you are in the minority. Its catch-22 for you isn't it? Either people will like it SO MUCH it won't be very 'optional' or people will hate it which means there isn't anything for you to worry about.

Fact: Fact: /ignore is all you need for taking care of a bad player. Any thing else is your desire to control the player outside of their effect on you.

If you ignore them, whats then? He is still in the group and does do stupid things. He can still initiate kicks for friends of mine, he can still ninja pull or take loot etc.

Ignore then leave the group, obviously. you can not help to control other peoples actions. anyone who thinks otherwise doesn;t know how the world works.

Fact: Anti cross server people have zero facts to back their claims!

They have more fact´s than you in your post atleast.
No they don't. Personal opinions do not count as facts, EVER. IN ANY SCENARIO. The pro side has what is called 'metrics' where the support for LFD is quantifiable measurable. Right now LFD is at the very least 'steady' if not growing. if games were removing it you MIGHT have a leg to stand on, unfortunately for you they aren't.

Personal experiences in BOTH sides are valid facts imo. Not seeing them is just denying them.

i bump this. I hope they implement the system sooner than later.