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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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Gavin_Darkl
02.02.2012 , 10:17 PM | #661
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post
Funny enough, I've read that once or twice. Not sure what your pointing out here other than: Improving our LFG system is high on the list of features that Systems Design wants to add to the game. We want this to be good not just for helping people find Flashpoints and Operations to run, but also other multiplayer content like heroic missions. A key emphasis will be on advertising for specific role needs (healer, tank, DPS). This feature is currently in the design stage, and once this feature has moved beyond this to a development stage and has a firm ETA, I'll be coming back to you guys to give more details.
Does not mean it will be Cross server. It says it will not be cross server at least at first and they really do not want to make it cross server.

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MalignX
02.02.2012 , 10:17 PM | #662
Quote: Originally Posted by Cruzee View Post
Cross realm LFDs were a bad idea 500 pages ago and they are a bad idea now. The people that need instant gratification without ever having to be friendly or even civil to other players probably aren't the best target audience if you want to differentiate yourself from that other huge MMO.


At the very least though LFD proponents, I have bumped your thread. I still hope you don't get your way.

cheers.

These don't seem like constructive criticisms.. perhaps you meant them in a none trolling way.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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bebedelette
02.02.2012 , 10:19 PM | #663
Quote: Originally Posted by Obi-Wun View Post
Cons:

1. Some people think it ruins the community...but I think they are wrong. They obviously have not sat for an hour trying to fill a Flashpoint group.
For me what really ruins the community is not getting to know people on your server. And an LFG tool encourages that. Once people know that there's virtually no chance of ever running into the same people again on a cross-server LFG tool, they feel free to be rude as hale. But on your own server you have to maintain your rep to get pugs.

I would like to see a server-by-server LFG tool, no need to go cross-server. I see plenty of people spam for groups on Assassins of Sion even if they don't get them, and my server's not even heavily populated, so it would work.

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Cruzee
02.02.2012 , 10:25 PM | #664
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post

These don't seem like constructive criticisms.. perhaps you meant them in a none trolling way.
Ignoring the fact that you snipped out my main point which I thought was thoughtful and had a link to an independent site... I still don't think what you've quoted is trolling by any stretch.

Trolls tend to be very strong in their convictions. They don't say things like "probably" in their statements.

Looking at your signature, big guy, I would hope you would recognize my post for what it is, especially that last line.

Cheers.

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BlueSkittles
02.02.2012 , 10:36 PM | #665
Quote: Originally Posted by Cruzee View Post
Cross realm LFDs were a bad idea 500 pages ago and they are a bad idea now. The people that need instant gratification without ever having to be friendly or even civil to other players probably aren't the best target audience if you want to differentiate yourself from that other huge MMO.

In the end the lack of personal attachments made it surprisingly easy for me to walk away from 4 years of character progression in Azeroth. I haven't regretted it once. I for one would like this game to be a social game and not just a gear treadmill with disposable groups.

http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/01/30/4-...er-harassment/

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That is what the game turns into with LFD/LFR. I never saw the complete disregard for other players prior to the implementation of the tool you are yearning for.

I understand why a lot of you want it, but I personally say "No thank you".

I like cooperative gameplay. What happens in LFD/LFR is anything but.

At the very least though LFD proponents, I have bumped your thread. I still hope you don't get your way.

cheers.
And the bullies that were discussed in that article magically go away when your "community" ousts them? Fairy tale. Never happened pre-LFD in WoW and if they implement a LFR type system in SWTOR, I will be happy to be able to play that type of content, and just deal with the unwashed masses that come with it.

Either way, we're never going to agree, but still good to hear any argument your side can muster.

And thank you for bringing this article to my attention. I'll remember to repost it once SWTOR has a similar system.

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MalignX
02.02.2012 , 11:16 PM | #666
Quote: Originally Posted by BlueSkittles View Post
And the bullies that were discussed in that article magically go away when your "community" ousts them? Fairy tale. Never happened pre-LFD in WoW and if they implement a LFR type system in SWTOR, I will be happy to be able to play that type of content, and just deal with the unwashed masses that come with it.

Either way, we're never going to agree, but still good to hear any argument your side can muster.

And thank you for bringing this article to my attention. I'll remember to repost it once SWTOR has a similar system.
Guess no one should be able to own a car, because it turns them into @$%&!* in traffic, when otherwise they are perfectly congenial people.
I mean seriously, I met considerably more "Jerks" before Dungeon Finder, than I ever did using it. And more and more it seems like the people that use that argument thought that they held some kind of 'status' before Dungeon Finder robbed them of it.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Nitewolfe
02.02.2012 , 11:17 PM | #667
Once more i see people spouting off personal experiences and opinions with ZERO bases in facts.
I can counter every cross server lfd sucks and most runs are bad with cross server lfd with my own personal experiences and opinions that cross server lfd in multi games i am playing are great and the majority of runs ore great!
So its a draw on personal experiences its my word against your word.

So we once more fall back to facts i have stated before.
Fact: devs in multi mmo's have stated their cross server lfd are a success! stating that more players than ever before are running and completing the content.

Fact: even older games are adding cross server lfd tools.

Fact cross server lfd tools are now considered a common mmo tool ( more games have them than dont).

Fact: there is no proof that server communities are destroyed with cross server lfd tools. There is only personal opinions.

Fact: millions of players in multi mmo's use cross server lfd tools ona daily basis and never complain.

Fact: there is ZERO ninja looting with a good need/greed system in cross server lfd(some thing we do not have here yet).

Fact: with cross server lfd, cross server friends list and cross server invite and cross server whispers your friends list has more people available to add to.

Fact: good people exist out side of just your own server.

Fact: Fact: /ignore is all you need for taking care of a bad player. Any thing else is your desire to control the player outside of their effect on you.

Fact: Anti cross server people have zero facts to back their claims!

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MalignX
02.02.2012 , 11:19 PM | #668
Quote: Originally Posted by Nitewolfe View Post
Once more i see people spouting off personal experiences and opinions with ZERO bases in facts.
I can counter every cross server lfd sucks and most runs are bad with cross server lfd with my own personal experiences and opinions that cross server lfd in multi games i am playing are great and the majority of runs ore great!
So its a draw on personal experiences its my word against your word.

So we once more fall back to facts i have stated before.
Fact: devs in multi mmo's have stated their cross server lfd are a success! stating that more players than ever before are running and completing the content.

Fact: even older games are adding cross server lfd tools.

Fact cross server lfd tools are now considered a common mmo tool ( more games have them than dont).

Fact: there is no proof that server communities are destroyed with cross server lfd tools. There is only personal opinions.

Fact: millions of players in multi mmo's use cross server lfd tools ona daily basis and never complain.

Fact: there is ZERO ninja looting with a good need/greed system in cross server lfd(some thing we do not have here yet).

Fact: with cross server lfd, cross server friends list and cross server invite and cross server whispers your friends list has more people available to add to.

Fact: good people exist out side of just your own server.

Fact: Fact: /ignore is all you need for taking care of a bad player. Any thing else is your desire to control the player outside of their effect on you.

Fact: Anti cross server people have zero facts to back their claims!
I'm going to cut n'paste this as my response to everyone from here on out if you don't mind. Hah. Love it.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Kenmuir
02.02.2012 , 11:51 PM | #669
Quote: Originally Posted by bebedelette View Post
For me what really ruins the community is not getting to know people on your server. And an LFG tool encourages that. Once people know that there's virtually no chance of ever running into the same people again on a cross-server LFG tool, they feel free to be rude as hale. But on your own server you have to maintain your rep to get pugs.

I would like to see a server-by-server LFG tool, no need to go cross-server. I see plenty of people spam for groups on Assassins of Sion even if they don't get them, and my server's not even heavily populated, so it would work.
1. Why are you a mean/rude person to people you will never meet again?
2. Why do you assume that since your(a common selfish observance of anit-lfg people) server is "okay"(again, by your definition and most likely confirmation bias) that no one else could want one or use one? (And most importantly should never have one)

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Orisai
02.03.2012 , 12:03 AM | #670
I've spent more than 1 hour spamming General (while also flagged for LFG with proper comment) trying to do Mandalorian Raiders before giving it up in favor of Warzone PvP (which is more accessible).

Guess what?? Random people yelled at me because of the LFG spam (which wasn't abusive at all), and when I replied to them that it wasn't my fault Bioware didn't implement a Flashpoint finder. The very same people who yelled at me were mostly anti-LFD like half the people in this thread.

I find it just stupid when people doesn't want the LFD tool under the stupìd excuse of it "ruinining communities" while yelling at me for spamming "dps LFG mandalorian raiders" every 2 mins.
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