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Why are they killing hybrid builds???

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Why are they killing hybrid builds???

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Technohic
02.02.2012 , 12:07 PM | #61
Im thinking a decent DPS build might be 3/7/31 but I have not tried it yet. You still should get some decent healing and some AOE damage with that one.

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Bamzamma
02.02.2012 , 12:57 PM | #62
You people ************ about choice do realize that WoW at this point REQUIRES that you spend a minimum in one spec before spending points in others...

You have more choice in this game than you think. Go play WoW then come ***** about choices.
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Saberolson
02.02.2012 , 02:43 PM | #63
Its simple...balance.

Its much easier to balance the game when they know there is only 3 viable builds for each advanced class.

With hybrid builds, crafty players will always come up with ways to squeek out something extra from builds that the devs missed, and that has the chance to cause im balance.

Like DPS specs running around in dark charge. They have DPS talants, and a tanks def. Its un balanced. Im not saying deception doesnt need more survivability. They do. But not that much.

I dont agree with the whole no hybrid thing, I like hybrid builds too. Im just stating the reason that the OP asked for.

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Pijinz
02.02.2012 , 03:07 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Bamzamma View Post
You people ************ about choice do realize that WoW at this point REQUIRES that you spend a minimum in one spec before spending points in others...

You have more choice in this game than you think. Go play WoW then come ***** about choices.
Is that going to be Bioware's new slogan? "Play SW:TOR, it's not as bad as WoW".

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Teyler
02.02.2012 , 03:14 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Pijinz View Post
Is that going to be Bioware's new slogan? "Play SW:TOR, it's not as bad as WoW".
considering wow is the best, most balanced and most polished mmo out there its not a bad thing to get compared to it i would say.

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Vesperr
02.02.2012 , 03:18 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Saberolson View Post
Its much easier to balance the game when they know there is only 3 viable builds for each advanced class.s that the devs missed, and that has the chance to cause im balance.

Like DPS specs running around in dark charge. They have DPS talants, and a tanks def. Its un balanced. Im not saying deception doesnt need more survivability. They do. But not that much.
About 3 builds part - yes its simplier but I dont want to pay for a simple game with star wars theme where I get pidgeon-holed into one of just 3 (in 1.1.0 we have much more than 3 effective specs to play) specs.


Dark charge was somewhat imba with dmg specs but there are few buts:
1) Dark charge without DD gear spec is useless in PvP as tank stats dont work. I think it would be better if they payed attention to that.
2) Other stances die too fast and die horribly.
3) There are other ways to nerf dark charge DD specs without castrating the hybridness of a class.
4) Ever seen "assassin R imba" threads? Then why the nerfing?

Quote: Originally Posted by Teyler View Post
considering wow is the best, most balanced and most polished mmo out there its not a bad thing to get compared to it i would say.
Considering that its another MMO people can go and play instead, and that many people are tired of WoW and want to see something new...

Quote: Originally Posted by Bamzamma View Post
You have more choice in this game than you think. Go play WoW then come ***** about choices.
If the hybrid nerf trend is going to continue we will have the same WoW "31 or suck" thing in SWTOR...
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AlphaBraddox
02.02.2012 , 03:34 PM | #67
It does suck to have to fully commit to a tree for 2ndary benefits like HD. I agree that if BW wants you to fully commit 31 pnts then the top tier tree feat better be worth it!

Its somewhat sad that BW has decided to follow WoW's lead instead of breaking new ground!

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Bamzamma
02.02.2012 , 03:54 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaBraddox View Post
It does suck to have to fully commit to a tree for 2ndary benefits like HD. I agree that if BW wants you to fully commit 31 pnts then the top tier tree feat better be worth it!

Its somewhat sad that BW has decided to follow WoW's lead instead of breaking new ground!
Tough track to walk... Think about the funding wow has put into refining the mmo genre. Not much more new ground to break.

I think by making this game have interactive story modes over the internet is pretty new stuff.

As for gameplay... if Blizz has spent millions if not billions on refining the game why not just "borrow" that expertise rather than funding all that money yourself...

Makes sense. Now they will tweak it to fit their game. Problem is too many people don't like different. They complain and say they want it but deepdown... they don't.

The changes have to be slow or the player base will drop. Time will tell.

It boils down to comfort. If people arent comfprtable playing the game they will leave, people are comfortable with wow. If they changed to fast people will get uncomfortable and leave.
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LegionLordXendor
02.23.2013 , 02:39 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Whatsalightsaver View Post
Um, non "cookie cutter" specs are always clearly inferior. Being a snowflake doesn't stop you from under performing and pulling down your group. The rare solid hybrid spec that does come about makes the class impossible to balance. You really should have learned that by now, all of you. Don't ask for things that don't make sense.

After 8 years WoW is giving more customization a shot in MoP, and I'm telling you right now that 1 of 2 things will happen: 1. Optimal "optional" talents will be found and thus just more cookie cutter specs. Or 2: Balance will be more chaotic than at any point in WoW's history. WoW in for another rough expansion, you really want that here? The more options you have the harder it is to balance. It's not rocket science.

I'm really not as angry as I seem, it's just late and some forum ideas make my head hurt. The "No add ons!!!!" thread in particular makes me want to punch a kitten.
It doesn't matter how you may or may not want to look at it. The game was made with the promise...(its on the making of the game vids & interviews) of having completely customizable specs. The End! Now they go and change their minds because...QQ its hard to balance? Give ma a break. Things where fine before 1.2, only needing very, and I mean very minor fixes. If they continue to squash hybrid builds so they are no longer viable in both pve and pvp then they are running the risk of falling into the same trap other current mmo's are in.

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JP_Legatus
02.23.2013 , 08:36 AM | #70
Hybrids make it very difficult to balance the trees
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