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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Malpracticex
02.02.2012 , 01:53 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Show me anywhere in the past 300 posts where someone advocated 'willy-nilly' clicking of the 'need' button?

I'll wait while you look for just one..

LOL, where did you come up with 300? more like 3000, this is the like the 4th or 5th thread about the subject.

and i still say loot hogs will be loot hogs..

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Setanian
02.02.2012 , 01:54 PM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan View Post
When do you think you should roll need on an item? Refresh my memory, please.
When I 'need' it..

I'm still waiting for you to back up your 'willy-nilly' remark.
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Setanian
02.02.2012 , 01:55 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Malpracticex View Post
LOL, where did you come up with 300? more like 3000, this is the like the 4th or 5th thread about the subject.

and i still say loot hogs will be loot hogs..
What you say does not make it fact.
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sjmc
02.02.2012 , 01:55 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan View Post
Yes. I agree with you. However, you are probably getting ready to hear how YOU are the selfish one by imposing rules that prohibit the willy-nilly clicking of the need button because they are by-God ENTITLED, whether or not they can actually use the loot.....
It is selfish because you are imposing rules designed to increase the chance that you get the loot you want by attempting to deny others the right to roll as they wish. It might be a valid viewpoint (and it might not) but it still selfish. The unselfish thing to do is to let others roll how they like without complaining and acting like a martyr.

Another unselfish approach would be to not roll on things you need as an upgrade because someone else wants it for the looks.

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Irusan
02.02.2012 , 01:55 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
When I 'need' it..

I'm still waiting for you to back up your 'willy-nilly' remark.
You just did that for me, thank you.

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itekazzawrrlic
02.02.2012 , 01:55 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan View Post
Yes. I agree with you. However, you are probably getting ready to hear how YOU are the selfish one by imposing rules that prohibit the willy-nilly clicking of the need button because they are by-God ENTITLED, whether or not they can actually use the loot.....
Yeah, because trying to stack the deck in your favor is such a noble endeavor. If people weren't entitled to it, it wouldn't be available to them.

Get over yourself. You people are more selfish. If there was a rule being broken then maybe you would have a leg to stand on, but there isn't, and you don't.

LoL it's funny that you would even throw the "entitled" stone considering you're the one feeling "entitled" just because you can use it. Well guess what, needing credits is a legit need as well. Get over it and grow up.
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Eldren
02.02.2012 , 01:56 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Wren_Atticus View Post
Your example is flawed and your advocating selfish behavior. Everyone has the RIGHT to be selfish. The very system of life allows for that. However, it doesn't make it right. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it. There are plenty of things in society that we can do but are considered unethical or in bad taste. Most civilized adults understand the distinction.
The instant you bring in terms like "should", you're attempting a moralist argument that has no place in this particular discussion. Even if you allow for a moralist perspective, if you feel I should only roll Need if my PC will use it, and should only roll Greed if it's for a companion, if I feel differently, my perspective is as valid as yours, and yours doesn't obligate me to a course of action contrary to the one I've chosen. You'd need something more objective than that.

Quote: Originally Posted by Wren_Atticus View Post
When "advocates" such as yourself want something, they will justify why they should have it. They don't care who they step on to get to what they want. As such, there is no reasoning with the "advocates". They have made it quite clear that ultimately they are looking out for themselves and that is all that matters.
You're diluting the issue by using loaded terms and phrases like "justify" and "who they step on to get what they want". We're saying we aren't stepping on anyone; we're saying you should roll how you want, using whatever determining criteria is appropriate to meet your goals. You would attempt to restrict who can roll on something based on whether they meet your individual determination of "need".

Quote: Originally Posted by Wren_Atticus View Post
While the system does afford that mentality, it doesn't make it right. Posts such as the OP's try to cater to the basic human decency of people. Unfortunately, that is lacking in a large chunk of the MMO player base and it a hopeless endeavor.
I believe our system assumes the best of people: that they aren't out to intentionally screw someone else, that they believe people are free to roll how they like, and would never impose restrictions on how others can roll. I think that speaks more to "basic human decency" than a system which lets one person tell another "What I think determines need supersedes what you think determines need, so you should do it my way." That's what you're advocating.
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itekazzawrrlic
02.02.2012 , 01:56 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan View Post
You just did that for me, thank you.
No he didn't. What if he needs credits?
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Setanian
02.02.2012 , 01:58 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan View Post
You just did that for me, thank you.
Please explain this nonsense? Or else you're just trolling as you are won't to do.
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Creed_Buhallin
02.02.2012 , 02:00 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan View Post
You just did that for me, thank you.
This is just pedantic.

My personal definitions of "need": Stat upgrade, appearance upgrade, companion upgrade for my primary companion, mods I can transfer to an item I'm wearing for the stat upgrade.

I don't roll need to sell something, and it's not "willy-nilly" rolling need on everything just because. You aren't even trying to debate a strawman any more, you're just flinging dirt at caricatures.