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Announcing The Old Republic Guild Summit

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Announcing The Old Republic Guild Summit
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mrcaptainpants
02.02.2012 , 01:38 PM | #411
Quote: Originally Posted by Tarka View Post
<snip> Even though there is very little that can be achieved in the summit that cannot be acheived via more convenient, concise, less costly and more accurate ways.
See, this is what I keep coming back to as well. And although there have already been a couple of official responses, it seems as though they are specifically avoiding trying to address this issue.

I just can't understand how flinging lots of dollar bills around to fly people out to a summit only to have them tell you the same things that everyone has already been telling you right here in your own forums makes any sense. It implies that you refuse to acknowledge it here on the forums, but if you're told about it in the summit, then it will suddenly be worth listening to.

I, too, hope something good will come of this summit. But it just seems as though if you were listening to us on the forums, this entire thing would not be necessary.

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Dragonexadon
02.02.2012 , 01:39 PM | #412
Quote: Originally Posted by Fiachsidhe View Post
However, this isn't major, world changing exchange of idea, it's *********** VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT. If you think face to face information gathering is even close to a factor, you need to get out more.
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This is why face to face is a big deal to me. Less condescending remarks hiding behind antonymous screen names. More productive talk with accountability.

Also the voting system you speak of happens after a campaign of debates, Q and As, the candidates meeting from state to state doing in person speeches, answering questions, and sharing their idea before your "vote" takes place.

You also mention the human psych and how in person communication is not effective. find that funny seeing as how most psychologist meet their patients in person.

That's neither here nor there though. I don't pretend to know the best course of action for bioware. This is the course they picked and I agree with it. If it is the wrong course they will lose money and subs. Their loss. Our lives will still go on.
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Fiachsidhe
02.02.2012 , 01:46 PM | #413
Quote: Originally Posted by skuggz View Post
Ahh yes, cling to the illusion of control... It's adorable...
Yeah and the illusion of control is not totally blinding in this case.....it's adorable you think that after ignoring the beta testers for a year, the PTR forums and suggestion forums that this guild summit is going to be any different.

I was asked what the difference is. I said it. If you think this is more than an illusion of control than you're more naive, than you're attempting to make me look.

They chose guild leaders to butter up, because they have the most influence over the largest sums of players and may be able to convince the most amount of people to continue playing. It's PR nothing more. Their opinions don't mean jack.

This is Bioware imitating CCP Games

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AssistSenn
02.02.2012 , 01:49 PM | #414
Question number 1:

When will there be server mergers? Is there a target date for it ?
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WarheartZero
02.02.2012 , 01:49 PM | #415
WOW! People are still on here whining about something Bioware doesn't have to do, something that can only benefit us all in the end.

Others are right, you people will find anything to whine about. I don't get it, if you have so much hate why are you here!

And if your just so mad cause you expected more out of the game, your not gonna help by making everyplace you visit negative.

I'll get flammed, but who cares. It's ridiculous how serious people take games and allow their emotion to take over and get on the edge of having a temper tantrum about a game.

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skuggz
02.02.2012 , 01:50 PM | #416
Quote: Originally Posted by Fiachsidhe View Post
All I can say at this point, is that money wasting(In your opinion), player alienating(by this you clearly mean yourself), favoritism-laden (you assume) PR bull **** (symbolic, potentially-enlightening gesture) like this, is making The Secret World look more and more appealing. I never thought I'd say that.
^Adjusted, as a reminder that perception isn't truth...

Again... I find a person who's basic premise is that BW is lying, that they don't want our input, that what we say won't matter... I'm never gonna convince you it's worth it, and vice versa, cause the reasoning has nowhere to start... So, I'm just settling for a reminder that there is more than one way to view things.

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Fiachsidhe
02.02.2012 , 01:57 PM | #417
Quote: Originally Posted by Dragonexadon View Post
1. This is why face to face is a big deal to me. Less condescending remarks hiding behind antonymous screen names. More productive talk with accountability.

2. Also the voting system you speak of happens after a campaign of debates, Q and As, the candidates meeting from state to state doing in person speeches, answering questions, and sharing their idea before your "vote" takes place.

3. You also mention the human psych and how in person communication is not effective. find that funny seeing as how most psychologist meet their patients in person.

1. Right, I'm sorry if you think people aren't condescending in person and the only way Bioware can garner such info is by showing blatant favoritism toward a small chunk of players they assume will be intelligent, polite and not totally enamored with the whole process.

The thing is, there are tons of non condescending posts all over these board, you're assuming Bioware is too lazy, incompetent or stupid to somehow glean the information from them because the condescending ones are just too gosh darn distracting. At least that's what I'm getting from you.

Because this entire event isn't also a condescending concept.

2. and yet EVERYONE VOTES and they do it anonymously. Those campaigns are done by those in charge. Ultimately the votes are what the common folk are involved in. That's our part.

3. Yes i did mention psychology, I also studied it, and spoke to psychologists enough to know that psychologists can take years, or even decades, to get a patient to actually open up and provide the information they need to heal. Funny how that works.

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Callabhan
02.02.2012 , 01:57 PM | #418
Love the idea, but wouldn't it be easier to host a live chat over google+ or something? Having people pay to fly to Austin and pay for their own lodging is hardly an incentive.

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Fiachsidhe
02.02.2012 , 02:01 PM | #419
Quote: Originally Posted by skuggz View Post
^Adjusted, as a reminder that perception isn't truth...

Again... I find a person who's basic premise is that BW is lying, that they don't want our input, that what we say won't matter... I'm never gonna convince you it's worth it, and vice versa, cause the reasoning has nowhere to start... So, I'm just settling for a reminder that there is more than one way to view things.
Oh thank you adjusting my post to reflect the blindingly obvious, because you have no real argument other than "That's your opinion". While ignoring the fact that such an action ALSO APPLIES TO YOUR PERCEPTION, which by the way, is being fed to you by a PR machine.

So aside from telling me what I can't possibly not know, do you have anything of real merit to say? Or are you just fanboying it up?

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Dragonexadon
02.02.2012 , 02:01 PM | #420
Quote: Originally Posted by Fiachsidhe View Post
1. Right, I'm sorry if you think people aren't condescending in person and the only way Bioware can garner such info is by showing blatant favoritism toward a small chunk of players they assume will be intelligent, polite and not totally enamored with the whole process.
Of-course people are. It happens less in person than online though.

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The thing is, there are tons of non condescending posts all over these board, you're assuming Bioware is too lazy, incompetent or stupid to somehow glean the information from them because the condescending ones are just too gosh darn distracting. At least that's what I'm getting from you.
I never said any of this. Bioware has been reading the forums daily it seems to me and has been responding to many of our concerns. I am over all happy with their forum presence.

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2. and yet EVERYONE VOTES and they do it anonymously. Those campaigns are done by those in charge. Ultimately the votes are what the common folk are involved in. That's our part.
Common folk can become more involved it they wish to.

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Yes i did mention psychology, I also studied it long enough to know that psychologists can take years, or even decades, to get a patient to actually open up and provide the information they need to heal. Funny how that works.
Have they done this faster online or via another point of communication?

But honestly I don't want to debate with you endlessly about this. I truly think it is a good idea. I know your points and where you are coming from. I just don't agree with you that it is not a good form of communication.

So in an effort to not make it a quote war back and forth I will stop it at this point. If you have other points to bring up that's fine. I still believe that it is the best form of communication through my live experience. As well as I believe it is a great move on biowares end to get feedback.
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