Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

I'm not sure this is really the case. I know you certainly think they aren't, because it's based on the conclusion you've already got, but I think there are important differences.

Off-spec rolling is really an interesting case, and a very new one. I'm actually sympathetic to the "Off-spec doesn't count as need" because it's very close to rolling for an alt, which I've always accepted as something you shouldn't do. As a side note, if we go back to the origin of that particular rule I think it probably grew more out of a general dislike of twinking than anything about "He who's there gets it". Don't really have anything to back that up, honestly, but my opinion.

Anyway - off-spec... Prior to dual-specs (and even way back, prior to re-specs) if you wanted a secondary spec, it meant having a different alt for it. Dual spec made this more convenient in a lot of ways, but it's really kinda fundamentally the same - same class and name, but completely different skills and gear needs. That feels very much like an alt to me, even if it's the same character.

On the other hand, I'd have to be sympathetic to someone trying to chance their spec, especially SWTOR, because you can shift so radically. The gear needs going from, say, a Deception Assassin to a Darkness Assassin are going to be pretty different. That's a hard thing to build up if you can't roll on what you're not using, so I'd be very sympathetic to someone who was trying to gear up to switch specs.

it's unwritten rule that if you are going to sell/vendor/give to an alt, it is considered greed.

welcome to MMOs

Jesus christ. I'll say this and be done with this conversation forever. I think we all can agree that the absolute best solution for either party here is to pre-establish loot rules before any runs begin. No one will ever state that the loot rolls weren't fair either way if the rules are completely agreed upon by all 4 participants before you enter. If you don't like the loot rules that are decided (ie the other three agree but you do not), drop group and find another.


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If there is a HUMAN PLAYER that needs it as an upgrade it goes to that player (or rolled against by other players that need it for their character). Why are people ignoring the fundamental looting rules of MMOs? Anyone who thinks the jedi who rolled on a cunning item was ok is just greedy.

PLAYER UPGRADE > companion upgrade
PLAYER UPGRADE > selling for credits

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I don't think he's posting

certainly, especially if you plan to hold someone to some unwritten rule.

No, it'll still happen. just less often.

players can't wear the items that are looted in game.

the player characters (ie, the protagonist and his companions) of the player can wear the items. I don't see why your prioritization of one over the other is the correct one.

anyone who thinks it is OK to tell another player that their wants are less important than his wants is just being greedy and selfish.

We actually all agree on this.

The difference of opinion is that many people see companions as an extension of their character. You say "If a human player needs it as an upgrade" as a filter to exclude companions, but I see the item as coming to me, to enhance my play, regardless of which tab of my character sheet it goes on.

Really? If it's unwritten, how do you know it's a rule?

If you think it's a rule, and you wind up in a party with those who agree, then fine, for your party, it's a rule.

But don't assume that's always going to be the case. If you have even one person in the party who thinks it's fine to roll for a companion, then even if they consider companions alts (and we have no objective rule stating they are), it's no longer a rule, just your opinion, which doesn't obligate them to your preferred method of distribution.

I am in favor of adding a companion need button, so it goes Need>Comp. Need>Greed>Pass. This won't go over well in the "I want to need on everything that drops" camp, I am sure, but it seems like a good idea.

Truth be told, I have yet to have the misfortune of grouping with ANYONE of that particular mindset. I can't help but feel even they don't feel their argument is valid, but are more here to relive their glory days on the Princeton Debating Team or some such nonsense.

"Hey, lets pick a very unpopular and ludicrous side to this argument and debate it until people see it our way just for a laugh."

It doesn't go over well for the "my priorities are different than yours" camp either.

is anyone actually arguing for that, aside from one-off posts here and there?