If you rely on gear, you're not a PVPer...

agreed what in Eve is skill oriented?

Second... I am a PVE player now bc i noticed earlier on that PVP gear just wasnt the same. I get bored now in between FP's bc pvp doesnt do me any good. Yea i am close to BM but what do I need BM for other than the title? The gear isnt better than my gear now

If you don't want to gear, you're not a rpger...

see what i did there?

You have offered nothing new to this debate. Your logically implosive claims have no evidence and no merit. The definition of "skill" is not clear, or established. For example, we don't have to aim. Is battle sense more important? Or teamwork? Or having a perfect rotation?

What makes pvp good is purely subjective. If you don't like it, go play a pvp game that isn't also an rpg. It takes skill to gear and spec too, though a different kind of skill. The new crafting changes will hopefully make gearing your character more complex and interesting.

The real essence of pvp is this: given a set of rules R, defeat your opponent while he tries to do the same to you. It doesn't matter if the rules state you draw a pony and then take a crap on it, it's still competition, and that's what "real" pvpers enjoy.

Incorrect. MMO PvP is completely fair.
MMO RPG CvC is NEVER fair.

If we are going to reach an understanding, we have to start using the correct terminology to avoid confusion. Words have meaning people.

It's not that hard to get a mix of cent/champ gear...

Believe it or not, a skilled player in cent/champ can take down a not so skilled player in full bm and even a skilled player in full bm... I've done it and seen it.

What about this is hard to understand?

You really think that most of the scrubs that got BM after 1.1 are good? Who cares if they're in better gear... not too hard to beat.

Which will never happen because of the stat named expertise...

Which will never happen because everyone doesn't have the exact same stats/skills. Oh right, that's any shooter. You're playing the wrong game, Counter Strike or StarCraft would be better suited towards your wants and needs.

Negative. Both players will never be equally geared. Both players will never be equally skilled. Both players will never have the same internet connection speeds. Both players may not be playing the same class. Both players will not start attacking each other at the exact same instant and will not use the exact same moves. ****, this game uses stats like Crit and Surge, they're both RNG and luck based... what exactly is so fair about that?

Herp derp go find another bridge to troll under.

And if the gear had just increased regular stats you wouldn't have the disparity you do now due to the expertise differences that increase damage done AND decrease damage received. How does a FPS game suit my needs because of a company making a poor decision with their PvP gear? I played Warhammer for a couple years and was pleased with their gear progression. It was based on renown (valor) level and had increased regular stats not some stupid crutch pvp stat that makes bads good...

/agreed 100%

+1

Just got my bmaster last night so it's the worst possible timing for me, but this needs to happen. I am tired of huttball games where neither side seems capable of killing the ball carrier. Really hoping this will solve that issue but we will see. At least we will hopefully get some more balanced gameplay revolving around skill.