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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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ferroz
02.02.2012 , 08:59 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Varghjerta View Post
Actually only If you feel like using just that companion or have it summoned ,Instead of when main character player that will have it equipped 100% of that time and only on that there is a big difference.
Doesn't change the fact that companion can have it for just as many levels as the trooper.

Incidentally, what's your native language?

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But then what happens when youre companion isnt enough anymore and instead you actually do need real players to actually being able to make the FP and kill bosses and get the drops?
No difference.

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Youre way get's doesnt matter if we need real players to kill this boss my solobility is more important.

While my way is that first you serve what the people in the group will use when actually grouping .
And if they no one doesnt need it for grouping you start with for companions /for soloing
No, my way is "everyone is entitled to roll on the stuff that they want" ... your way is "people are only allowed to roll on the stuff that I say they can roll on"

Your way is about feeling like you are entitled to gear for biased/arbitrary reasons. My way is about not feeling like anyone is entitled to gear unless they've won in it in a fair, unbiased, impartial roll.

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Galbatorrix
02.02.2012 , 08:59 AM | #22
Honestly though, in your play experience, how has people been rolling when the loot rules weren't established before the group event? I normally never have anyone lay down loot rules and I've also never seen someone roll need for a companion when one of the other group members needed that item for their PC. I've seen plenty of people ask if they could when everyone else greeded, but that's it. What has you experience in the game been like?

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ferroz
02.02.2012 , 09:01 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Honestly though, in your play experience, how has people been rolling when the loot rules weren't established before the group event?
People roll need on the items that they want. Sometimes they hit need for their companions. Sometimes for the mods. Sometimes for appearance. Sometimes for the stats.

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sjmc
02.02.2012 , 09:02 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Varghjerta View Post
Actually only If you feel like using just that companion or have it summoned ,Instead of when main character player that will have it equipped 100% of that time and only on that there is a big differemce.
My companion is summoned during 90% of my playtime. So arguably if something is more than a 10% better improvement for my companion than it would be for the trooper than I should get it and he should not roll for it.

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But then what happens when youre companion isnt enough anymore and instead you actually do need real players to actually being able to make the FP and kill bosses and get the drops? Youre way get's doesnt matter if we need real players to kill this boss my solobility is more important.

While my way is that first you serve what the people in the group will use when actually grouping . And if they no one doesnt need it for grouping you start with for companions /for soloing
Your way serves the people in the group that will be grouping. It doesn't necessarily help those that will not be grouping. Just because I am grouping right now doesn't mean that I will be grouping later. Increasing my solo ability will help me get the levels required to get to the next flashpoint.

A system that favours those that plan on grouping is certainly fair to the players that plan on grouping.

I am not in any way saying that the Trooper can't have any loot. As far as I am concerned, he is welcome to roll on anything that drop that he thinks could benefit his character. Sometimes he will win and sometimes I will win.

If someone else wants loot that's for my class, they can roll on that too. I can roll on it if I want it.

Letting people decide for themselves what gear will help them advance their character seems to me to be the most reasonable approach that is respectful of each person's playstyle.

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Irenicus_Jon
02.02.2012 , 09:04 AM | #25
This "I need for my companion" argument is mind-blowing. Your companion did not tank in that instance. Your companion did not heal in that instance. Your companion did not dps in that instance.

If your companion is so great and needs the gear, next time don't look for another party member and let your awesome companion fill in that role.

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ferroz
02.02.2012 , 09:04 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
A system that favours those that plan on grouping is certainly advantageous to the players that plan on grouping.
fixed. It's advantageous to them, not fair.

Similar example: someone who cheats at cards by stacking the deck in their favor, cheating is advantageous for them, not fair. Likewise for someone who skews the loot system to favor their loot priority.

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Letting people decide for themselves what gear will help them advance their character seems to me to be the most reasonable approach that is respectful of each person's playstyle.

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ferroz
02.02.2012 , 09:06 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Irenicus_Jon View Post
This "I need for my companion" argument is mind-blowing. Your companion did not tank in that instance. Your companion did not heal in that instance. Your companion did not dps in that instance.
My companion isn't rolling.

I tanked the instance. I'm rolling for gear that I'm going to use. Where/how I'm going to use it isn't important.

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Galbatorrix
02.02.2012 , 09:07 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
Anything that is "tailored" for a Trooper is also "tailored" perfectly for my companion, Akaavi Spar. An orange piece of armor is tailored perfectly for anyone that can wear that armor type as soon as you pop the mods from your existing armor into it (and you can probably use the new mods somewhere on your character, getting a double/triple benefit)

With this logic, as others have stated, you might as well ditch the need button and just give everyone an automatic roll. We get 6 companions. Eventually, we will have a need for everything that drops. If you take away the need button, you may never win anything again, but at least no one would call you out for having an unfair advantage over people trying to help the whole group and not just their selves.

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Vydor_HC
02.02.2012 , 09:07 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Honestly though, in your play experience, how has people been rolling when the loot rules weren't established before the group event? I normally never have anyone lay down loot rules and I've also never seen someone roll need for a companion when one of the other group members needed that item for their PC. I've seen plenty of people ask if they could when everyone else greeded, but that's it. What has you experience in the game been like?
I rarely run in pick up groups where I do not discuss this ahead of time. It's been ages since that happened, but generally people would roll on gear they want, and no questions would be asked....unlesss one player won something another player who had control issues wanted more, then a "debate" would ensue.

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Vydor_HC
02.02.2012 , 09:08 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Irenicus_Jon View Post
This "I need for my companion" argument is mind-blowing. Your companion did not tank in that instance. Your companion did not heal in that instance. Your companion did not dps in that instance.

If your companion is so great and needs the gear, next time don't look for another party member and let your awesome companion fill in that role.
-nods-

Yes, but you do instances to enhance your character going forward from that point, of which your companion is part of your character.