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So the newly 50's expect to be treated like royalty because?

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So the newly 50's expect to be treated like royalty because?

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Gwal
02.02.2012 , 07:24 AM | #271
Quote: Originally Posted by Princz View Post
byeeeeeeeeeeee...
Awww Prinz I expected better from you.

You know me and you know I pvp. My brother and his friends are the people I'm arguing for you've only got a couple of bits more pvp gear than me.

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RobNightfall
02.02.2012 , 07:25 AM | #272
Quote: Originally Posted by Ipsemeter View Post
The purpose is evident and clear, to most of us. Work=Reward, and PvP gear provides people that PvP a system of rewards and tiers that we want to achieve so that at the end of the trek we all, who have made the journey, are on equal footing and we may test our skills against one another. For those who didn't bother to do the prerequisites? It's like expecting to be promoted to CEO from the mail office, do you really expect that to happen?

Apparently, some of you do :/
Except that PvP is supposed to be about player vs. player, not player vs. player's gear. It's supposed to be the part of the game where skill has primacy. Your reward for being good is winning, and for being bad is learning to be good. Otherwise it's about competitive fun. PvP was never supposed to be a trinket war and until WoW came out it never was.
Edited because the devs appear to have fixed at least 80% of the crap that was pissing me off.

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oursacrifice
02.02.2012 , 07:25 AM | #273
No, stupid. They do not expect to be treated as royalty across the board.

What they do expect is a much smoother and more balanced gear progression through the pvp tiers.

There is ZERO reason to tell fresh level 50 toons that they cannot have any expertise gear when they're facing players that do 15% more damage to them and they take 15% damage LESS from them.

It's completely moronic to even attempt to justify that as a fair and balanced system.

They should have simply not changed the bag system AT ALL, and just given them the level 50 blue pvp set back so that fresh 50's could at the very least, have a little expertise to help close the gear gap.

The most skilled fresh 50 in the world couldn't beat a BM geared keyboard turning clicker in a 1v1 scenario. That's the problem with the current pvp system.

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Asnine
02.02.2012 , 07:25 AM | #274
Another thing most of you carebears (aka people who think gear trumps skill) don't realize is that this might encourage more people to actually hit 50. This is a good thing because:

1) Don't have to wait in such long queue times
2) If you're so leet, you'll have a premade anyways. More ppl = more pugs for you to stomp.


Oh wait...most of you will lose to pugs if the odds are evened somewhat.

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Dogfatherxx
02.02.2012 , 07:26 AM | #275
Clearly, BW is not afraid to make waves. Rather than rewarding the folks that currently put the time in and now have the expertise advantage, they are taking their game in a direction that rewards the majority of people that do not.

This shows that they are listening to the complainers on the forums. I just wonder if this is going to spread to other things that people complain about like Sorcerors, Tracer Missiles, and faction imbalances. I am guessing that it will. Regardless of how you feel, they seem to have plans to changie their game to appease the most vocal groups of people.

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Torleen
02.02.2012 , 07:28 AM | #276
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhaker View Post
This is the response the here in regards to PvP gear being lowered.

So I am taking that people who just reached 50, expected their class to hold their own and win against 50's who have been there for a long time. Are you guys serious here?

This would be akin to saying, being a level 50 I should be able to do nightmare EV and nightmare KP IMMEDIATELY?!?!?!

So if that is the case:

- Why do we have hard Flashpoint modes?
- Why do we have hard or nightmare Operation mode?
- Why do we need to farm them to get Tionese/Columi/Rataka gear?

But before we go there, let's try this scenario:

So say we had no PvP gear (so no BM/Champ/Cent gear at all), so it'd become a PvE gear situation. So are you guys telling me that a fully newly minted 50 would have some chance in hell against a fully geared Rataka/Columni/Tion Geared 50?

If not are you going to lower their stats as well? And you going to lower the dps and enrage timer for the Operations for hard and nightmare despite that its already buggy as hell?

Because this is going to be one big cluster *beep*.
If a new level 50 who has not been PVPing as long as you can spank you then you were not a good PVPer in the first place.

This is when most elitist PVPers would tell you to learn to play.
Want to hunt griefers/gankers?
Do you like to PVP, OR RP, OR both, or either?
Honor might just be the guild for you!

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ricardojubei
02.02.2012 , 07:32 AM | #277
ok this is simply getting out of hand, i wasplaying when someone just sayd omg they are going to nerf pvp gear!!!
ok i need to understand something here.
Pll that say that they get beaten up by 50īs with better gear when they get to level 50 simply dont know how to do things.
When i got to level 50 i equiped myself with full epic amor rating 50 gear wich is EASY and got 3 pieces of pvp while i was it! so when i started PVP then was no LARGE GAP OMG THEY ALL KILL ME GOING ON.
IF BW nerfs pvp gear because ppl cant play and whine about it in the foruns i can see a real dark future for things. there is no large gap uf have a dif of 5 or 6 % damage from gear if thats huge....
War...War never changes...

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Tooswifty
02.02.2012 , 07:33 AM | #278
Quote: Originally Posted by muscarine View Post
Level 49 v49 sin, never set a foot on illum yet, about to enter 50s brackets with a huge disadvantage here because one way or the other all the time i spent and comms i litteraly wasted during the process didn't make me earn anything usefull gear wise.

I dare you 50 drama queens teeling me i'm not willing to put in the effort and deserve to get crushed soon as i come in.

Something has to be done so the whole 10-49 pvp experience doesn't turn out to be utterly worthless.

Either make the valor rank increase the commendation cap so we can start with a few more bags, either create a starter 50 gear that requires 40-50 valor to be worn.

And while we are at it, make the centurion gear actually require to be centurion, and the champ gear... to be champ.

Come on Bioware, please look at the valor system and give it some meaning, because RNG bags + meaningless valor will eventually drive people out of pre 50 pvp.
This is NO work = reward.

I agree with the valor change on cent and champ ger, but you are going to have this discussion all over again cause I have seen valor level 30 and below in full champ gear and valor level 55+ in blues and greens.

The real solution is to input lvl 50 only mods, armoring, hilts/barrels, etc, either crafted or warzone/merc comm bought to put in the lvl 40 modable pvp gear. But thats too hard to do then just tearing stats on gear down.
Bang

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Asnine
02.02.2012 , 07:33 AM | #279
Quote: Originally Posted by Dogfatherxx View Post
Clearly, BW is not afraid to make waves. Rather than rewarding the folks that currently put the time in and now have the expertise advantage, they are taking their game in a direction that rewards the majority of people that do not.

This shows that they are listening to the complainers on the forums. I just wonder if this is going to spread to other things that people complain about like Sorcerors, Tracer Missiles, and faction imbalances. I am guessing that it will. Regardless of how you feel, they seem to have plans to changie their game to appease the most vocal groups of people.
You might be jumping the gun a litte.

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ranlaen
02.02.2012 , 07:37 AM | #280
well i did a WZ recently where 3 guys were running like headless chickens and doing rubbish dmg ,ofc we were losing.
I decided to look at their gear and 2 of them wore 3-4 pieces of green armor.Seriously green ,you can buy level 50 blues for few k on market!
I pointed it out to them and told them to do dailies or buy better gear on the market but their response was older 50s should support them and help them gear!
Now come on they did not even make an effort to gear up at all ,so if BW feels they need to lower gear so we all wear rubbish you can count me out!
Seriously BW whose fault is it that this people refuse to do simple dailies or spent a few k on market ?
Reconsider any nerf and trust me in a few months when this same guys are decked in full champ/BM they will turn on you faster then a dog gone rabid!