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Pvp gear nerfs are you freaking kidding?!

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Pvp gear nerfs are you freaking kidding?!

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Princz
02.02.2012 , 05:54 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by -Kazim- View Post
my brother,

It is definitely NOT OK of course.

However as I wrote before, in PvE you are not FORCED to fight against the LAST BOSS to get gear that will help you to kill him. You first have an option to fight against easier enemies to gear up.

In current PvP system this is flawed. It's like, game is forcing you to beat that last boss with blue gear and you're getting frustrated about it as you can't.
I tottaly agree,

The thing is that the difference is not that big. People go in warzones with blue gear getting one shotted .... Its their fault ... maybe there should be brackets in warzones for Centurions/Champions/Battlemasters.... but then warzones would never start

The difference between Centurion and battlemaster in expertise is a 0,5% per piece man... The mods in the Centurion gear are crap and the implants need a buff ... i can show you thou some crafted purple that will only change em for the Battlemaster ones...

The gap is not that big... and i dont care if they buff up the T1 and T2 pvp gear ... but if they nerf the BM gear then you are making pvpers pve to gear up.
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Lord_Indomitus
02.02.2012 , 05:57 AM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Safgril View Post
1. small gap? yeah right? go in your next warzone take off the battlemaster and tell me how you do? Make sure you are using a orange weapon and not that bm weapon..its not what you say but how you act...
2. and you are acting like you are the king of gaming whenever you type the words... "CAREBEAR" LOL
3. I dont think you understand the idea behind this... See Bioware/EA is about money... they WANT new players coming in. So if said new player gets to 50 and gets steam rolled.. shoots a person and finds that he barely does any damage.. guess what happens? thats right, he unsubscribes... that means they will lose money. This is on topic. Do you think if they fix the PVP gear they wont touch the PVE gear? I can bet you... that will be balanced in due time too.
4. LOL small.. again... LOL... its not small.. its why they are making this change in the first place...
5. no just pointing out your attitude about this game... the standard WOW type player who thinks they need to "beat" the game and move on to the next... sorry i Call it as I see it.

6. who is more of the fool, the fool who speaks or the fool who responds? You can call me a fool all you want.. But again I am only a fool in your eyes. And makes you a fool for thinking that it makes me a fool in others. Are you finished philosophizing?
Bottom line here is the dollar and player retention... what is best for the game. If you cant see that then it is you who needs to look in the mirror of your selfish ways...

7. by the way, I dont need overpowering gear to show that I am good. I just need equal gear as everybody else and can show you how I am good. How about you?
1. If they take off their gear too, I have no problem doing that. I want equal terms, not to have BETTER gear than them. This is where you are wrong. Btw, you don't have to say "BM weapon", you can say "champ weapon" because the difference is SO SMALL.

2. Acting like that in your opinion and to your eyes. Maybe stop generalizing using your personal opinion. Call me annoying and see if I disagree. But that's different than "king of gaming"... Kings suck anyway, I am a Lord.

3. Every company is about the money, welcome to reality. They can lessen the gap, without nerfing PvP gear. But as it seems, that's hard to get for some people, including you. I can explain why it's hard to get, but not without being rude... so.

4. Do you want to lessen the gap? I am fine with it. That is not done by NERFING PvP gear, but by CREATING crafted PvP gear that fresh 50's can use. SIMPLE. You can even make differences non existent, but ONLY AS LONG as you don't make PvEing giving an edge in PvP.

5. That's not my attitude. A strawman again... You are not even good at it.

6. You are clearly the fool for misinterpreting what I am saying, intentionally or not it doesn't matter.

7. Since you are asking... I don't even feel the need to tell you what I think, concerning if I am good or not.

Once again... This time I hope it sticks into your head.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY GEAR GAP BEING DIMINISHED or REMOVED.

BUT I SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PvE, IN ORDER TO BE ON EQUAL TERMS IN PvP.


Do you get it now? Those that PvE, should have NO advantage in PvP just because they PvE. Nerfing PvP gear will make SOME PvE gear being better for PvP and it will also make PvEing giving an edge in PvP. I hope you finally GET IT NOW. If you get it please remain silent, you don't have to apologize or anything... you are forgiven. If not, you are hopeless...
Peace is a lie.

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-Kazim-
02.02.2012 , 05:57 AM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by RaveyLarge View Post
I'm just about to hit 50 and have the same valor rank as level, have done all along - because I love the warzones and find the whole questing thing and flashpoints robitic and dull.

I have enjoyed the ride, however if I suddenly hit a brick wall where I am vastly outmatched by people with way better gear than me - that can be quite demoralising.

I would say, hard as it is, Bioware should follow the masses - after all the more people that are happy the better.

On my server I see people begging in chat for more people to queue for 50 warzones and people responding they dont want to because they just get pounded. If this continues to happen there won't be ANY pvp for anyone. So... making it balanced is of course fair.

I would be VERY happy to play on a totally even playground with everyone just having titles to show off rather than better gear.

If you really are amazing at pvp you should be able to win with worse gear and welcome the nerfing to attract more people to pvp...no?
that's the problem I'm talking about. This will get bigger and bigger as game moves forward and old players require more/better gear.

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-Kazim-
02.02.2012 , 06:00 AM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by Princz View Post
The gap is not that big...
For now you're right. I'm more concerned about what will happen in 1-2 years.

Quote: Originally Posted by Princz View Post
but if they nerf the BM gear then you are making pvpers pve to gear up.
this is a definite design flaw. Bioware should find a better solution for this. perhaps separating PvP and PvE stats all together.

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Trujan
02.02.2012 , 06:02 AM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Indomitus View Post
1. If they take off their gear too, I have no problem doing that. I want equal terms, not to have BETTER gear than them. This is where you are wrong. Btw, you don't have to say "BM weapon", you can say "champ weapon" because the difference is SO SMALL.

2. Acting like that in your opinion and to your eyes. Maybe stop generalizing using your personal opinion. Call me annoying and see if I disagree. But that's different than "king of gaming"... Kings suck anyway, I am a Lord.

3. Every company is about the money, welcome to reality. They can lessen the gap, without nerfing PvP gear. But as it seems, that's hard to get for some people, including you. I can explain why it's hard to get, but not without being rude... so.

4. Do you want to lessen the gap? I am fine with it. That is not done by NERFING PvP gear, but by CREATING crafted PvP gear that fresh 50's can use. SIMPLE. You can even make differences non existent, but ONLY AS LONG as you don't make PvEing giving an edge in PvP.

5. That's not my attitude. A strawman again... You are not even good at it.

6. You are clearly the fool for misinterpreting what I am saying, intentionally or not it doesn't matter.

7. Since you are asking... I don't even feel the need to tell you what I think, concerning if I am good or not.

Once again... This time I hope it sticks into your head.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY GEAR GAP BEING DIMINISHED or REMOVED.

BUT I SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PvE, IN ORDER TO BE ON EQUAL TERMS IN PvP.


Do you get it now? Those that PvE, should have NO advantage in PvP just because they PvE. Nerfing PvP gear will make SOME PvE gear being better for PvP and it will also make PvEing giving an edge in PvP. I hope you finally GET IT NOW. If you get it please remain silent, you don't have to apologize or anything... you are forgiven. If not, you are hopeless...
They just said they want to lesson the difference between new 50 and BM 50, nothing about nerfing.
But all you said is correct, however, the large font and red.... could you try green next time, my monitor is playing up

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Lord_Indomitus
02.02.2012 , 06:03 AM | #206
or just BUFF the PvP gear fresh 50's can get EASILY and get into WZs... simple?
(like lvl50 crafted PvP gear, so crafters have something more to do too)
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Hidden
02.02.2012 , 06:05 AM | #207
Well MMOs change, that's part of the way it goes.

As for gear being closer to equal, if you're skilled you shouldn't have anything to worry about right?

Or does gear = success for yourself?

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Trujan
02.02.2012 , 06:07 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Indomitus View Post
or just BUFF the PvP gear fresh 50's can get EASILY and get into WZs... simple?
(like lvl50 crafted PvP gear, so crafters have something more to do too)
Agreed, and one of the follwoing will happen i reckon:
1. Craftable BoE expertise gear
2. WZ/MERC comm purchasbale 50 expertise gear.

And tbh, i would love to see the crafters rewarded.

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Twin
02.02.2012 , 06:07 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Indomitus View Post
4. Do you want to lessen the gap? I am fine with it. That is not done by NERFING PvP gear, but by CREATING crafted PvP gear that fresh 50's can use. SIMPLE. You can even make differences non existent, but ONLY AS LONG as you don't make PvEing giving an edge in PvP.
Now THIS i would agree with! -And it would also favor crafting and a player driven economy.

Though, i do think PVE gear should have a disadvantage in PVP, compared to pvp gear - and vice versa. Working towards getting that equipment, and noticing a big difference on my toon(s) is my endgame content, and it reall doesn't take that long getting enough pieces to be viable.
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Orrow
02.02.2012 , 06:08 AM | #210
Poorly thought out and implemented changes are quickly becoming the standard for Bioware when it comes to PvP. First Ilum and now this? Does anyone on their "most experienced PvP team in MMO history" actually play this game? Or are they too busy loling about how EA gave them chance to torpedo another MMO?