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Nerf tracer missle now


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Drachii
02.02.2012 , 03:47 AM | #431
Quote: Originally Posted by LoL-K-Noob View Post
Leave intelligent discussions to adults.
That rather rules you out, doesn't it? Excuse me for my reluctance to believe that someone calling himself 'lol-k-noob' is past his mid-teens.
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Machazareel
02.02.2012 , 03:47 AM | #432
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaede View Post
You prove my point. You ignore the argument on not every class has a decent ranged interrupt with a totally irrelevant point. You fail to say why a boring single button spam should be as effective as it is. Clearly you are a spammer.
My point was that if you aren't doing anything about it, of course you die. It's the same deal no matter which ranged class turns its attention to you. Not every class has a ranged interrupt, no. A ranged interrupt isn't the only way to deal with it. Some classes have gap closers, some have the ability to stealth and there's often a LoS point nearby that can be utilized, causing the player to shift their focus to someone else, and for you to move in on them. If you're caught out in the open fighting someone else while a ranged decides to attack you, it's effectively a 2v1, and you should be in trouble in such a case. If you're caught out in the open alone, it's your fault for being positioned as such.

I don't have any issues dealing with Grav/Tracer on my mara, such spammers are generally free kills. We have a plethora of people of trying to claim it does massive damage, when it doesn't. They'll talk about it being hard to deal with when multiple Mercs are focusing them, which is a nobrainer.

People have now tried to position the argument to the one button being too simple, but the entire tree is built around its use, and the only suggestions they often come with to adjust the skill don't take the rest of the tree into account. People clamor that it shouldn't be that way, but they offer no solid suggestions as to how it should be changed, because they have no idea how to redesign an entire skill tree, which is essentially what needs to be done, because it certainly isn't tracer damage that's an issue, it's that every good thing about the tree rests on the somewhat repeated use of Tracer.

I don't even care much about the tree anymore, I don't use it, because it really isn't a very good PvP tree. I just have a hard time taking these threads seriously anymore because they are oft so full of misinformation, straight up lies and perpetuated by people who are terrible. And they are terrible. I am an average player in terms of PvP, not some elite pro. I find Tracer/Grav to be one of the least threatening things to face in a WZ because it's so easy to deal with, and has been on all my alts so far, perhaps because LoS and interrupting is so ingrained into my playstyle from my years playing WoW.

A bad tracer/grav spammer will generally win against a bad player of any other class, but when both players are actually decent, the grav/tracer is generally at a disadvantage due to being so reliant on an interruptable ability that roots them in place while they use it. I don't really think we should be balancing around terrible players, but hey, that's just my opinion.

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Drachii
02.02.2012 , 03:49 AM | #433
...and Machazareel wins the thread. All hail!
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Ticklepink
02.02.2012 , 03:49 AM | #434
sorry, I wasn't really thinking of splitting seconds..I remember TM being roughly 1.47 seconds? so..I rounded up..My bad..Although the meat of my post still stands. You're allowing someone to stand still for 4.5 seconds?(as opposed to six?)
You can't figure out the direction of a TM and move away? Ive gone up toe to toe straight deeps on a fellow BH..sometimes I won..sometimes I lost..and it depended entirely on my rotation as compared to theirs. (oh and my health and their health went down alot slower than if I had been up against say a good Jugg..or a good sorc..or an op class.)

Are you saying no other class has instas?

P.S. when I actually DO pull off our ranged stun (concussion missile) I am amazed I was able to do it.(feels like it takes forever to cast)

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Buddhalux
02.02.2012 , 03:50 AM | #435
Quote: Originally Posted by LoL-K-Noob View Post
Yes nerf a 3.5k shield a cloth class uses. Sure, give me heavy armor and ill be for it.
Nope, you get nothing to compensate for it since no one besides a couple of Mercs have bothered to try and talk about a compromise and/or tweak since TM is the core ability in Arsenal that ALL other abilites rely on to support our role as DPS.
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Jonie
02.02.2012 , 03:52 AM | #436
Make love to me Machazareel.

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il-jumper
02.02.2012 , 03:53 AM | #437
Quote: Originally Posted by Tooswifty View Post
Beware, you are seriously going to be called a troll for your post. All mercs/commandos dont want to be fixed or balanced.

I'm just stating facts. Noobs defending TM/GR need to seroiusly play any other class to know that they are broken.

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Ticklepink
02.02.2012 , 03:53 AM | #438
lets not even discuss how a sorc can stand "behind' a 2 inch wide post and break LOS WHILE casting lightning and still hit me.

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LoL-K-Noob
02.02.2012 , 03:55 AM | #439
Quote: Originally Posted by Drachii View Post
That rather rules you out, doesn't it? Excuse me for my reluctance to believe that someone calling himself 'lol-k-noob' is past his mid-teens.
Google - Poisoning the Well. You can thank me later for giving you a lesson on Logic and fallacious reasoning.

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Buddhalux
02.02.2012 , 03:55 AM | #440
Quote: Originally Posted by il-jumper View Post
I'm just stating facts. Noobs defending TM/GR need to seroiusly play any other class to know that they are broken.
On the flip side, you noobs crying for TM nerf need to play an Arsenal Merc to 50 to see how reliant that class is on TM and that TM is not the core issue. Lack of situational awareness is not our classes fault. We're designed to do damage from range.
Matala 50 Merc
Matael 50 Marauder
Mataz 3x Jugg
Matazi 2x Sniper