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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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Souljar
02.01.2012 , 08:32 PM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
That's all well and good, but the fact is, there's plenty of MMO's out there that rely primarily on player skill, and not gear, level or class.

Unfortunately most people are accustomed to MMO's post 2004.

Thank god for GW2
You're still missing the point. Gear may be equal in GW and GW2, but someone playing on 40ms is always going to have a slight advantage over someone sitting at 300+ ms. Then there are always counter classes and counter specs etc, once again paper, rock, scissors. The people that knows this will always be slighly ahead of the curve, I hardly call that skill.

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Jebi
02.01.2012 , 08:39 PM | #322
Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
I see nothing that says they disagree with my math - merely that they feel the current 10%ish is too much.

That's their call, not mine.

UO - no
EVE - dear god hell no
GW2 - not released and appears to be taking every possible design cue from That Other MMO.

so.. yeah. AC1... SWG (class didnt mean anything? are you.. suffering from some kind of memory loss?) and.. GW... and a bunch of initials that mean nothing because they are so obscure i cant even tell what you're talking about.

Wow. big list.
Big list, but the majority of them you don't know because it's clear you only play MMO's where you can race to endgame, get an advantage, and then beat your chest about how 'l33t your PVP skillzor are'.

And GW2 is like the 'other MMO'? Rofl. You realise what game you are playing now, right?

Thanks for the amusement though

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Noctournys
02.01.2012 , 08:45 PM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
Big list, but the majority of them you don't know because it's clear you only play MMO's where you can race to endgame, get an advantage, and then beat your chest about how 'l33t your PVP skillzor are'.

And GW2 is like the 'other MMO'? Rofl. You realise what game you are playing now, right?

Thanks for the amusement though
I also realize this MMO never pretended to be anything but.

GW2 is trying to sell you on the tale that it is simply GW1... and ever person who has laid eyes on an extended preview says "hey, this doesnt look like GW1 at all".

And no, junior, its a list full of meaningless two letter initials.

They certainly never saw widespread release.. and if i had to guess..

DF? Dungeon Fighter?

So.. here's a test of you intelligence:

can you tell me what three changes they announced in that post that you, as a guy who thinks the gear gap is too much, should be -absolutely terrified- about?

Im guessing not.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11

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Jebi
02.01.2012 , 08:47 PM | #324
Quote: Originally Posted by Souljar View Post
You're still missing the point. Gear may be equal in GW and GW2, but someone playing on 40ms is always going to have a slight advantage over someone sitting at 300+ ms. Then there are always counter classes and counter specs etc, once again paper, rock, scissors. The people that knows this will always be slighly ahead of the curve, I hardly call that skill.
Slight advantage is slight, and applies to every genre including FPS and RTS.

Gear advantage in most MMO's is not slight.

And yes, people who know how to counter other classes are people who know how to play smart (you also realise you can switch weapons and skill on the fly right?), it's called strategy. There's a reason it's going to have ranked, competitive PVP as well as E-sport tournies and such.

Because it isn't designed around rewarding people who grind more advantages in PVP.

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Jebi
02.01.2012 , 08:51 PM | #325
Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
GW2 is trying to sell you on the tale that it is simply GW1...
Lmao. Keep talking. Anyone who's followed GW2 even a little bit just fell out of their chair laughing.

Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
And no, junior, its a list full of meaningless two letter initials.
They are only meaningless to people who don't seek out MMO's with decent PVP.

Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
So.. here's a test of you intelligence:

can you tell me what three changes they announced in that post that you, as a guy who thinks the gear gap is too much, should be -absolutely terrified- about?

Im guessing not.
Why would I be terrified, I'm not the one who's defending their gear advantage over others. It would seem you failed your own intelligence test?

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Souljar
02.01.2012 , 08:58 PM | #326
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
Slight advantage is slight, and applies to every genre including FPS and RTS.

Gear advantage in most MMO's is not slight.

And yes, people who know how to counter other classes are people who know how to play smart (you also realise you can switch weapons and skill on the fly right?), it's called strategy. There's a reason it's going to have ranked, competitive PVP as well as E-sport tournies and such.

Because it isn't designed around rewarding people who grind more advantages in PVP.
So now a slight advantage is ok? What happened to the even playing field that some spoke so loudly of before? An advantage is an advantage, no matter how you at it, the odds are you're going to win most of the time, which is why it's an advantage.

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Noctournys
02.01.2012 , 09:03 PM | #327
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
Lmao. Keep talking. Anyone who's followed GW2 even a little bit just fell out of their chair laughing.
After they get up they can head over to Kotaku and Bitmob, and read about the dose of reality theyre missing.

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They are only meaningless to people who don't seek out MMO's with decent PVP.
Still avoiding a question rather than answering it. Really pro, here.

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Why would I be terrified, I'm not the one who's defending their gear advantage over others. It would seem you failed your own intelligence test?
Yet another attempt to avoid answering a question you dont know the answer to by trying to attack me. Keep on trollin, trollin, e'ery day.

Funny thing is, I dont even have this supposed advantage. Im not rolling around in Battlemaster gear.

Im in craftable gear that any fool can grab off the GTN. (oh, sorry, one exception: i did get a rating 136 PvE knife in EV last week!) I *have* Champion gear - but im not using it, as i clearly posted, and havent been for the better part of a week. Oddly enough, im doing BETTER.

All of my gear except my implants and earpieces is orange gear with mods in it. My earpie and implants are craftables i picked up on the GTN for about 50k each.

So.. gonna answer the question, or just continue the trollin?
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11

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Wyrdstar
02.01.2012 , 09:06 PM | #328
Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
Yeah... 90 minutes doing six matches a day is simply NO EFFING LIFE.

or 30 minutes doing a few dalies.

The Clue bus will be back around in a few days. Make sure to get a ticket.
Ahh you must be one of those hard working mmo players, sorry i guess I touched a pizza encrusted nerve. Maybe read the prior 25 pages and save a clue ticket for yourself.

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Jebi
02.01.2012 , 09:07 PM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by Souljar View Post
So now a slight advantage is ok? What happened to the even playing field that some spoke so loudly of before? An advantage is an advantage, no matter how you at it, the odds are you're going to win most of the time, which is why it's an advantage.
A slight advantage that is outside a game companies control vs a large advantage within a game companies control.

Are you really arguing this? lol

Sc****** the bottom of the barrel now aren't we?

And an even bigger lol if you think 50ms ping vs 200ms is going to "make you win most of the time".

I guess if I moved to the US i'd be the PVP'er ever... considering my ping is 250 - 300ms on every FPS game I play (where ping means much more than in most MMO's) yet I still rank in the top 1-2 players in 95%+ of games I play.

Rofl.

You PVP-lite guys are terrible at arguing cases. Wonder why? No relying on gear to carry you here? Awww....

Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
After they get up they can head over to Kotaku and Bitmob, and read about the dose of reality theyre missing.
Except, they are laughing because the GW2 dev's are always pointing out how different GW2 is to GW1. So again, you fail, badly.

Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
Still avoiding a question rather than answering it. Really pro, here.
Maybe someone who has experienced MMO's with decent PVP first hand will kindly help you out. But as you don't know them, it's even more clear that the topic we are discussing is a bit over your head.

Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
Yet another attempt to avoid answering a question you dont know the answer to by trying to attack me.
Your question is not only irrelevant but laughable. You are the one here who is pro-gear advantage, so maybe you meant to direct that question to yourself?

Because to me, reducing the gear variations between players is nothing but good news.

Logic much?

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Noctournys
02.01.2012 , 09:07 PM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by Wyrdstar View Post
Ahh you must be one of those hard working mmo players, sorry i guess I touched a pizza encrusted nerve. Maybe read the prior 25 pages and save a clue ticket for yourself.
I did. lots and lots of drivel.

Facts is facts. It isn't hard to get gear in this game. You dont need to be hardcore. You dont need to grind.

8 hours worth of dailes spread over the better part of a week.. or about six matches a day of PvP, which, if you're the "PvP lover" you claim to be.. you're playing more than that now.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11