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Why Force Me To Use Companions I Hate!?
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Fiachsidhe
02.01.2012 , 06:24 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Baaddare View Post
I find your complaint about tank companions very odd. I play healer spec Inqis she loves having Khem as her tank and she can solo heroics with out any trouble. He is great at holdign agro on multiple targets. Constantly pulls mobs off of her even when she is standign off at range distance. She has used Khen to tank in FP up to boarding party. However, she does keep him nicely geared. She is able to heal him and through in spot dps. She is now lvl 47 and still using him as her tank. Yes he does stand in aoe but then i just hit passive to pull him back then attack to send him right in again all is well.
THAT'S why. As a healer you pretty much have to use a tank companion. If you're any other role, forget it. You can't heal a companion as other roles, so tanking companions, no matter how well geared, are near death after every pull (if not dead).

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MrTijger
02.01.2012 , 06:24 PM | #62
I've found the companions pretty solid provided you equip them properly, with some this absolutely critical, some are better/more useful than others obviously but I dont feel there's a problem there. The only thing I would like to see changed is the order in which they come for some classes.

Examples would be Gunslinger not having a healer (besides annoying bot) until late in the game and likewise for Guardian. On the Republic side I think Troopers and Consulars get the best deal generally speaking.

Of course, one could treat this as an MMO and pair up with another human...or is that too crazy?

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Frostbird
02.01.2012 , 06:24 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by jontyld View Post
I agree a second or third companion should come pretty early on in the game, But I don't feel bad if someone happens to level in a way that doesn't mesh well with their companions. The world isn't perfect.
I wouldn't either, if we had more of a choice of which companions to level with. Those first 25-30 levels are a *huge* stretch and I have no idea why they thought it would be smart to give some classes only a single companion choice for this.

Again, standard RPG practice is to introduce companion NPCs at a fair clip early on and then taper it off towards the end. Not give you one choice early on (which for many classes is the least interesting/useful one for their spec) and then start dropping them on you late game when it's almost too late to enjoy them.

Very odd from a company like Bioware who has a ton of RPG experience. All I can think was they did this to force players to at least take the time to grind to the end of their class story.

In fact, your life does flash in front of your eyes before death.
The process is known as "living".

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Kabjat
02.01.2012 , 06:39 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostbird View Post


- Why are there so few female companions? Your playerbase is likely mostly male, mostly between 13 and 33.
Pure conjecture. That assumption cracks me up.

And besides, who says YOU can't think outside the box a little? If you don't like it when Mako give you -1 or -30 affection every time your character does something, then make *GASP* Light side choices. Or give presents if you MUST be Dark.

Or roll a female toon and romance your male companions.

You are only limited by yourself.

I'm female and play toons of both sexes. It's fun.
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaltom View Post
Are you playing TOR on an Atari Potato?

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Lukeia
02.01.2012 , 06:42 PM | #65
I haven't played every class but my Jedi Knight and my Trooper seem to have had plenty of companions...and I"m not a high level yet. My Jedi Knight has 2 at level 25...one every 10 levels seems about right...and my Trooper has 3 at level 32. If you're going to complain about not enough female chars then I get to complain about not enough male chars. I'm a female and I think it should be balanced. They're never going to pull more female players in if they only cater to the male population. I wouldn't mind having some choice in the order you get your companions though...but I know that would take a lot more voice over work. As to the complaint about your companions "role" playing a tank and getting a tanking companion etc. It's an mmo...I call on my friends or my guildies to help me with the difficult stuff. My companion is for fun. That being said. My dps Jedi Knight has done just fine having Kira Carson as another dps along. We've been able to do 2 man heroics without outside help (I should note that she has biotech though, so she uses the reusable medpacks as a helper heal), and I usually have the dps Jorgan along with my tanking trooper. I know Elara would make more sense as a healer...but I like to take out the mobs quickly so I'd rather deal with the heat and manage my character well and let Jorgan beat down the mobs. As to their actual characters...ya, some of them are annoying...just don't bring that one along. Or if they all annoy you, send them crafting and don't use them at all. Grab a friend instead.

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Kabjat
02.01.2012 , 06:43 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by CygnusMX View Post
They should should put Wayne Newton's head on a hutt and make him a companion, try dragging that around for 20 levels, then you'le appreciate Qyzen.
The nightmares will now haunt me. Thanks for that visual.
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaltom View Post
Are you playing TOR on an Atari Potato?

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DeathDiciple
02.01.2012 , 06:49 PM | #67
Actually contrary to popular choices, I switched Mako out for dps as soon as I could, for Gault and eventually Torian (having a melee somehow worked better on my merc and he has higher survivability while still maintaining decent dps). Keeping a healer is nice... when you have to watch LOS and avoid AOE all the time but thats just a couple of boss fights. And tbh her character annoyed me all the time. 'Healer' companion slows you down for the most part. Did not even think of trying to use a healer on a tank (short of one annoying heroic boss), it would take me ages to kill anything.

Now tanks, I don't know. I tried blizz, it really did not work. Switching aggro back and forth between companion and me worked better and lead to faster killing than trying to keep a tank that aggros everything alive. If I were healing specced might work better, but it really does not look like they are worth much, the survivability of tanks vs dps companions just makes no sense anymore.

But back to original point, I really think they should've sped up the process of getting new companions. Having to go through most of Alderaan to get agent 2nd one is the worst I saw so far... really? Should've moved stuff around a bit so they give us 2 different ones soonish too, running with Khem on a tanksin for a while is not all that fun...

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noctivagus
02.01.2012 , 06:51 PM | #68
Every character has a weird mix of companions. Your alignment, AC, or spec might not mesh with certain companions, but think about other people and how they might not ever use the companions you use. The only problems really are the lack of "turnable" characters like Jaesa, and the uneven rate followers are obtained (which is due to the main quests being written before the planet order was finalized).

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Frostbird
02.01.2012 , 06:57 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
Pure conjecture. That assumption cracks me up.

And besides, who says YOU can't think outside the box a little? If you don't like it when Mako give you -1 or -30 affection every time your character does something, then make *GASP* Light side choices. Or give presents if you MUST be Dark.

Or roll a female toon and romance your male companions.

You are only limited by yourself.

I'm female and play toons of both sexes. It's fun.
You are not female. There are no females on the internet. Do make us think anything else is just...cruel. .

That said, I must disagree *strongly* with your post.



Firstly, in terms of demographics - of course it's conjecture, but I think it's pretty solid conjecture. Fans of the original Star Wars are primarily males in their 30s (seems logical). Not all fans, but most of them. As far as MMOs go - again, I'd say mostly males of mixed ages. The game's subject matter seems tuned around a slightly more mature audience than WoW though (since it involves topics like sex, torture, murder, corruption of the innocent, brainwashing, slavery and other stuff) and thus I'd say your average target player is
- Male.
- In at least mid teens to early 30s.
- Straight (since there are no SS romance options).

As for rolling an alternate gender character and romancing guys...well, I am as open minded as the next person but that seems neither interesting or fun to me (actually it's a little icky).

I get your point regarding Mako, but I was not saying that it's game breaking mechanically. I was saying that in terms of immersion and enjoyment, it's bizarre to drag around a companion that is totally unsuited to you and dislikes you intensely, as well as being virtually useless to your character due to spec. Why can my BH who is both moderately well known and wealthy recruit, say, someone like Kaliya?

Finally - you are fine with playing for both teams. While I am not against this in theory, I don't think that it's everyones cup of tea (I'd actually say you are in the minority). Plus, if there were more options, you would still be free to do it - but a lot of other people would suddenly be free to play *their* way too. Why are you against this?
In fact, your life does flash in front of your eyes before death.
The process is known as "living".

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Frostbird
02.01.2012 , 07:02 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Lukeia View Post
I haven't played every class but my Jedi Knight and my Trooper seem to have had plenty of companions...and I"m not a high level yet. My Jedi Knight has 2 at level 25...one every 10 levels seems about right...and my Trooper has 3 at level 32. If you're going to complain about not enough female chars then I get to complain about not enough male chars. I'm a female and I think it should be balanced. They're never going to pull more female players in if they only cater to the male population. I wouldn't mind having some choice in the order you get your companions though...but I know that would take a lot more voice over work. As to the complaint about your companions "role" playing a tank and getting a tanking companion etc. It's an mmo...I call on my friends or my guildies to help me with the difficult stuff. My companion is for fun. That being said. My dps Jedi Knight has done just fine having Kira Carson as another dps along. We've been able to do 2 man heroics without outside help (I should note that she has biotech though, so she uses the reusable medpacks as a helper heal), and I usually have the dps Jorgan along with my tanking trooper. I know Elara would make more sense as a healer...but I like to take out the mobs quickly so I'd rather deal with the heat and manage my character well and let Jorgan beat down the mobs. As to their actual characters...ya, some of them are annoying...just don't bring that one along. Or if they all annoy you, send them crafting and don't use them at all. Grab a friend instead.
Holy wall of text!

I was not complaining about a total lack of female characters (except on certain classes). I was complaining at the lack of choice and I was mostly annoyed at the treacle-slow rate they are dripped out to you and how for the first 20+ hours of our gaming experience we are tied to a single companion.

Yes - some classes get them a little earlier. Some don't. And again, standard (good) rpg practice is to not only give a player a *choice* from a wide pool of companions, but also to give you plenty of choices early in the game.

From a mechanical perspective, it's obnoxious to be tied to a certain spec until level 30 due to my companion being a tank/healer.

From an immersion perspective, characters develop in conjunction with each other. It's totally immersion breaking for my BH to keep Mako around, or for my Assasin to keep Khem around.
In fact, your life does flash in front of your eyes before death.
The process is known as "living".
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