Fiachsidhe Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I have a hard time believing that a summit of leaders of guilds such as Requiem is going to improve the game for me. A thousand times THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xumagai Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 /sigh Oh sweet Hell...another one. I don't know maybe, instead of lame PR stunts, they just not invite people out to mini-parties, and instead, look at these very forums and just fix the issues. We PAY THEM. It's bad enough that we even have to give them suggestions, now they expect people to provide their own airfare, lodging costs, vacation time, just they don't have to think of ways to fix their game? That's called being an employee. What's next? We get to pay them to answer our own GM tickets? There is suggestions on the forums, and then there is "pay out of your pocket to come do our jobs". Stop asking me if I prefer them doing the same dumb idea, only worse. God you even missed the point of my response calling Reid out for doubletalk. "When we started planning the Guild Summit, we decided we would invite a select number of guild leaders to Austin at our expense, just like the Fan Site Summit" and how did you miss this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiachsidhe Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 "When we started planning the Guild Summit, we decided we would invite a select number of guild leaders to Austin at our expense, just like the Fan Site Summit" and how did you miss this? How is that relevant? What the **** does that have to do with this? The fansite summit was before the game released, and was a publicity campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xumagai Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Learn to read. The guild summit is AT THEIR EXPENSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benfynyn Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 It's only at their expense for the guilds they've already selected. Any guild leader APPLYING to go is doing so at their own expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhoren Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yeah BW is footing the bill for airfare and lodging, AND european guilds have been invited as well. No one is getting shafted here, it's an added opportunity. I really like this initiative. It's a much better way to communicate (face to face), and the guild leaders will typically gather a bunch of questions/topics from the guild members beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benfynyn Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 When we started planning the Guild Summit, we decided we would invite a select number of guild leaders to Austin at our expense, just like the Fan Site Summit. In addition, we decided to open applications to all guild leaders who were interested in attending at their own expense. So far, judging by the pile of applications we've received today, plenty of people are interested in joining us in Austin and we're looking forward to welcoming everyone. So no, they are not footing the bill for everyone. Only the ones that were invited. Everyone else can pay their own way (if they make it through the applications process). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiachsidhe Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Learn to read. The guild summit is AT THEIR EXPENSE. Learn to comprehend. The expenses are paid for those selected by Bioware, not those that sign up. Edited February 2, 2012 by Fiachsidhe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Storm Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 this gives me two feelings, the first I am not familiar with is happiness, the best thing about gaming is enthusiasm cheers mates!!!, the second in unhappiness as in why can't this event be near my house you are jst out to get me!!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fett Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The web is a very good medium for presenting lots of material - but face to face interaction and conversation is always going to yield great results. Let's be frank, the anonymity of the internet can ensure some pretty radical opinions and can sometimes drown out reasonable discussion. We believe we'll get some great in-depth discussions and feedback out of this event. *@$% people actually read what I write, I better be more careful in future!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenReid Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 How are you not excluding people, if only a tiny sliver of your player base can even apply, and then you have to be selected? You're excluding most of your players before applications even begin! We're not excluding people because, as we've suggested several times in a number of threads today, we'll be open to feedback and interaction during the summit from everyone - not just those attending. We're not ready to announce further details on how that will work yet, but we will be soon. Naturally, we can't host a summit and invite the entire population of the game to attend; it's physically not possible. I can understand your feelings that those 'in the room' have a stronger voice than those out of it, but we're taking that into account in our planning. Also, like someone else said, this announcement gives the impression they'll start ASKING what people want in March, and then start coding/implementing it. There are plenty of guild-centric features already planned and many are in development - for example guild banks, which we've talked about for Game Update 1.2. We are certainly not holding back on development of these features until the summit happens, although we do hope that during the summit when we talk about future development, we'll get some validation from the community as a whole (and not just those attending) that we're on the right track. (And why are we waiting until the summit? Well, the development team isn't quite ready to talk about many of these features yet, but we've challenged them to ensure they are by the summit.) Finally, I appreciate the feedback in this thread, but I'd ask you to remain constructive in your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varrangian Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I think on the surface most people will see this as no big deal and I don't think any rational person will see it as some sort of grand conspiracy. The one thing that I think is a legitimate criticism is that it is a "selective" event. While I understand that there need to be limitations on this, there is an inherent risk in selecting guilds that they will not be as open and honest as they would have been had they been invited in another manner. I would suggest a combination of selection and lottery, you can set the criteria for the guild eligible for the lottery however you like, but at least this way they will feel less beholden to Bioware and more likely to openly discuss the topics at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Githander Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) So the preselected people who will give us the predetermined outcome of the event we are willing to pay for. Everyone else can apply and maybe you can participate on your own dime. Is this seriously the plan? Do the paid people sit at a different table / stay at a different hotel from the paying people? Do the paying people have to sit at the back of the shuttle bus? Do they get to eat at the same resturant or go to the same party? BTW did we mention your sub money goes to fund the free trip for the other people. Yeah poorly thought out PR stunt. SONY (EQ) did a guild summit which it selected and paid for who they wanted to hear from. Blizzard (WOW) Blizzcon everyone pays. One or the other this is just plain crap. Edited February 2, 2012 by Githander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiachsidhe Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) We're not excluding people because, as we've suggested several times in a number of threads today, we'll be open to feedback and interaction during the summit from everyone - not just those attending. We're not ready to announce further details on how that will work yet, but we will be soon.. WHAT?!? You're open to feedback all the time, by default! You're not being extra gracious, by offering to listen to those that can't go. That's your job ALL THE %#%!ing TIME. This whole forum exists, to provide you with 24/7 feedback. How ridiculous that you claim to include everyone, when you're really including this forum passively. According to your logic, you can invite all the white people to Austin, but all the black people can still post on the boards because you're "stilll going to listen to those who couldn't make it". Because you're always in a state of doing so anyway, so that wouldn't make you racist. Of course you can't invite everyone, the problem is, you have an event where you invited people PERIOD. The point you seem almost professionally unable to grasp, is how utterly unnecessary, and pointless this entire PR stunt is and how worry some it is so soon after launch. Edited February 2, 2012 by Fiachsidhe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhentarion Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sound like a Great.......wait For some one like me Who play a sith and a darth bane fan to the core dont like It when its for guild leaders why did you forget this aint wow if oyu put player summit i could understand many play lone wolfs cos We are the power Not Week sheep who follow One leader .. why thin power when a few can be strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Sapper Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 $450.00 roundtrip airfare + $150.00 hotel + $60.00 - $100.00 food cost ==== The only people that will be able to attend this are the rich kids who will most certainly misrepresent the majority of the player base. Is this a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durantheBhunter Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) I dont care what guild, but plz, for all that is holy, ask them if they are changing the bag system in pvp! Edited February 2, 2012 by durantheBhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bregah Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I dont care what guild, but plz, for all that is holy, ask them if they are changing the bag system in pvp! You would think that something like this, which has been complained about since release 6 weeks ago or so, would have been addressed at least once on these boards, right? At least some explanation as to WHY they think it's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Residentx_NA Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Approve my request. I already made hotel arrangements!!! Do it now :-) :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Great Idea, but Isnt this what the internets for, I think skype would have sufficed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyxisNautica Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is a 'promising' idea on Bioware's part ( I say 'promising' because as it stands right now, it feels as though the Guild feature was added as a last minute chat convenience). Guilds SHOULD be the cornerstone of any MMO. A good guild keeps it's members engaged and active in the game like no other feature can. Guilds and the personal relationships developed therein keep people subscribed in between content and major raid patches. The current state of guilds in SWTOR isn't good IMO and many of the features that are 'upcoming' should have been implemented BEFORE launch. Things that need to change NOW: -Give us back the Guild Hall for discussion of guild and op leadership issues. -Give us an ENGAGED and KNOWLEDGEABLE contact on (or near) the dev team that will advocate on our behalf in regards to guild features. Stephen Reid is in an excellent position to do this and the community trusts him but we'll happily accept anyone who shows an honest interest in helping us help our members. -Give us the bare minimum of guild features NOW. The guild UI is terrible and SERIOUSLY?? No Invite button? I use the /ginvite command but many guild leaders are unfamiliar with the 'typical' guild commands. -Also, at the very least, we need an easy way to see when people last logged in. I (and many other guild leaders) don't keep people who are inactive for more than a certain number of days. Most of us will happily wait for things like guild ships and in-game recruiting features, but guild banks should be implemented sooner rather than later. There are 'quality of life' features that are standard in almost all MMOs and storage is one of those things that should have been in place at launch. The summit is a good step in the right direction. I sincerely hope that many good things come from this. Bioware, like any MMO developer, needs to see that the social connections made within the game are as equally important as new content in keeping people subscribed over the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otakuon Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I just want to chime in and say that my guild, The Corellian League, which is arguably the largest RP guild in TOR right now was not pre-invited to this event. I am sure the selection took several factors into consideration but for the most part was random in order to avoid accusations of cherry picking only certain guilds. Either that or BioWare just doesn't like us Corellians (they did make us give our planet to the Sith after all... ). Regardless, I have applied to attend this event and there is still no guarantee that we will even be chosen. If we are selected, will I go at my own expense? Absolutely! This is a golden opportunity to sit down with the devs in person and provide, meaningful, constructive feedback. It will also be a chance for the community to get to know each other and build new connections. As we all know, an MMO ultimately lives and dies by its community. This is a prime example of how a developer understands this and is trying to find additional ways to connect with their game's community. As we build the community, the game itself will get better. As guild leaders, we have our own min-communities to take care of and are in a prime position to collect and disseminate feedback that would be very useful for BioWare to hear. Here's hoping I make it to Austin in March! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans_Puppet Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 A Great idea but shouldn't you be holding them in places like london as well through PR teams? Not everyone can afford to get to America :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Residentx_NA Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Any one want split a room with me at the Marriott? 119.00 is the nightly rate. PM me when they get send out the invites. that way it's 60.00/night per person. Edited February 2, 2012 by Residentx_NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deewe Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Today, we are pleased to announce the first ever Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ Guild Summit, being hosted in Austin, TX in March. Over the course of a few days, guild leaders from around the world will gather together to discuss the state of the game with the developers from BioWare Austin. Guild leaders (or a designated officer in the event of a guild leader being unable to attend) will participate in Q&A sessions with developers, roundtable feedback discussions, and will get a preview of some upcoming game features. Read More If I may: You are doing it wrong At this point without having an established player base you'd better ask players why they left. So invite player who stopped subscribing instead. Now for getting feedback from active subscribers that don't go to the forums, start doing in game optional surveys after the login screen. Then once you start having some real data, work on building focus groups questions and double check the most sensitive trends with 2-3 choices only in game polls. Finally, then and only then send the invites. And the carrot on the stick would be to give a virtual reward like a title or a fluffy item to people who answered the poll/survey. Edited February 2, 2012 by Deewe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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