Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

Nobody's said you cannot roll. They have asked you do dial back your definition of need.

Let's see who cares to engage this scenario:


Player A, B, C and D plan to run 8 man zones all night (using their companions to full out the rest of the Ops group), culminating in a very, very difficult zone to finish the night. A, B, C and D are all different classes.

Throughout the night, which method of loot distribution gives them the BEST chance to complete their very difficult, final zone of the night:

A. Personal Need > Companion Need > Greed
B. Need on anything that is an upgrade for you or your companions > Greed

Wow, I seriously can't even keep up with this thread

I will say this, though...nothing we say/do here is going to change the way people play in the game now. The only way things will change is if BW makes a change with the system. Until then, we're all going to be frustrated and angry with each other and the community is never going to get any friendlier.

We need BW to realize there is an issue and it's causing a lot of grief in the game when two people have opposite opinions over how the system should be used.

I might be amendable to that if I never play solo with just my companion for battle assistance. However since I do use my companion outside of group play I would like the chance to gear it up as well.

There two problem with your argument.
First your dealing in absolute. There is C. The gear that is better for the group. So if a set of heavy armor drop, and the Trooper would get +2 Aim and +5 Enduracne. But my compain get a +8 to Aim and +10 Endurance. Your saying it better for the player to get it. If it's +2 Aim and +5 Endurance then yes the player. But +8 and +10, that mean less healing for the healer, more damage for the group.
Second you act as if well the player need all the good gear, but it's a 8 man. That mean it need 8 well gear characters. Your philosphy at it's core would mean 4 well gear character and 4 under geared characters. And that not a hypothetical.
I already only at 30 seeing that, I have 2 under gear characters, and now with any fight no matter which I pick will be dead before the end. There gear not dropping from standard mob, I'm picking gear for them when offer for rewards, and their gear are not on the auction house.
The end is need is for anyhing you need to play your character and what is for your compain and mods do count. I think the general answer is the group have to talk and be more social and state "I need this for my compain" And if something interesting drop and say "I needing it unless there an issue." and state your reason.
Bioware need to put into a system for a secondary need in here. And more important a way to give drop that you won to party member. So I'm a Shadow tank and a Heavy armor drop. I can need it take out the Endurance Enhancement out and then give it to the Trooper.

Shouting. That's why nobody takes you seriously. It indicates something else too but I don't want to go that far yet.

Point is that EQ wasn't first.

I'm not ignoring your comments, many are valid. However, they are not valid for my exercise.

I am assuming ALL THINGS EQUAL. You have 4 players, with average gear, with average companions, in a hypothetical 8 man zone.

This situation is a proxy for trying to balance the needs of the player and the companion when loot drops. The idea is not to dive into specifics, but to address the greater concept of rolling on gear.

Keep reading into my second post for an explanation of why you and your companion are WORSE off when everyone rolls Need on everything.

I'm in a Flashpoint with three other players. Those other players are all going to quit the game and never return as soon as we finish this flashpoint. What should I roll on?

Only if you dictate that certain ways of acquiring items are unacceptable. A lot of people have actually done this throughout the discussion: "You can't roll need for a companion in a Flashpoint, you can gear them solo!"

You could certainly claim it, but that wouldn't make it valid. It's a "You're playing wrong" argument, which is invalid on its face. More and more I'm thinking that's the core of this disagreement from your side, if not yours personally - people who play solo, or with companions, or value appearance over stats, are just playing wrong, and therefore their needs are inferior and don't actually qualify as "needs". Galb has explicitly said as much, as have numerous others.

And honestly, if that's the core of someone's argument, then they can go take a flying leap. You can play however you want, but I'm not about to let you dictate to me or my family how we play. I've dealt with people like that since the very beginning of MMOs, and I think they're nothing but a horribly destructive drain on the community.

What edge would that be? I only roll on stuff I need. I expect you to do the same, and will actively encourage it. If I roll on something for stats and you pass on it because someone in the last run screamed at you for that, I'll tell you to roll on whatever you want. I'm not sure how that's consistent with me trying to get some mythical edge. I don't keep score on who gets more loot on a run, unlike Galb, who seems very, VERY concerned about it.

Over and over again your side of this argument tries to portray the opposite side as nothing but a bunch of greedy gits who will roll on everything. NOBODY in this debate has actually said that we'd do that. Many have laid out exactly what they would roll on, and all of us have said explicitly on multiple occasions that we'd encourage people to roll by the same standards - what they believe they could use. How is that an edge?