Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

Show me one post where someone has stated that they are rolling 'need' on something they don't really need?

we've had several hundred pages of people doing exactly that...

They can do that now, without removing the need button.

arguably, they HAVE done that implicitly with the design, and people are insisting on adding rules on top of it (and even assuming that they're universal)

I didn't say that it wasn't, just that it doesn't solve anything.

that's actually quite abusable; it basically gives someone who comes into an instance with friends multiple rolls.

Don't get me wrong; I'm in favor of it, since I'm convinced that it fixes more problems than it creates... just that you shouldn't think of that as a problem free addition.

So do I ..which is why I do lot of farming for mats and build my own gear. Unless it's something very specific drops that I've been looking for ..it's all just gravy

I could take just about everything you wrote there and use it to support my position. Which is why this issue will never get resolved in here.

You say I can't handle it, and I say you're just afraid to lose the edge your more liberal definition provides you.

there are a couple of one-off troll posts where people did that.

Mostly, people just argue against that because it's easier than arguing against the stances that most of the folks in here are actually taking.

What's the point? EQ1 was probably the most successful MMO in the western hemisphere, before Warcraft.

EQ1 method of loot rolling was /random! That's it.

"Too many variables..."

There are many variables, indeed. But all other things being equal, which loot system would you rather have those players come from? I would have assumed you would take that as a given if you were engaged in good faith in this discussion.

The answer again, is clearly A. It is a more efficient distribution of loot for grouping.

Now, let's take it a step further.

Your point is more than valid - your primary objective and priority is solo play. You want to do as much output as you possibly can between you and your companion.

Here is the following hypothetical loot for a 4 man group with 4 bosses.

1 Aim piece of gear
1 Str piece of gear
1 Willp piece of gear
1 Cunn piece of gear

You have one of each class in your group. Under method A you receive 1 upgrade for your character EVERY TIME when this loot drops.

Now let's look at it under method B, when everyone is rolling on every piece, since everyone can use all the gear for at least one of their companions.

The expected value of the loot you will receive is as follows:

.25 of a Aim piece of gear
.25 of a Str piece of gear
.25 of a Willp piece of gear
.25 of a Cunn piece of gear

Now, and hopefully you've followed this far, if you assume that an upgrade to YOU is more
beneficial than an upgrade to YOUR COMPANION, then on average, you, as a character/companion duo, are worse off under Method B.

Again, it won't always be the case, but all things being equal, on average, an upgrade to your character is more valuable than an upgrade to your companion. This is true.

Follow the logic.


YOU YOURSELF ARE WORSE OFF UNDER METHOD B.

Edited to add this:

A = Player Upgrade
B = Companion Upgrade

A > B
A > .25A + .75B

So his entire argument is based on a couple of trolls?

Free open rolls, unrestricted by anything but their personal definition of need.

Your oversimplifying so much that your conclusions are rather meaningless.

No, I'm better off.

Unfortunately it seems you are here solely to argue and promote your way of thinking, not to engage in an intellectual, logical discourse.

Have a nice night. If you care to engage the argument I'm making, one that is based in logic, with a very few simple assumptions, then I'll be happy to respond to you further.

I didn't say that it was... just that it was another possibility other than "came from wow"


actually, it was "whoever loots it first gets it" even including people who weren't in the group that killed it (ie REAL ninja looters)

And it was definitely the most successful mmo prior to wow; I think it had more than half again as many players as the next bigger mmo before wow was released.