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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Halinalle
02.01.2012 , 04:57 PM | #891
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin View Post
The horror of leaving it to people to make their own decisions!! Such chaos cannot be allowed to stand!
"Ok, just to let you all know. You guys can roll Need on medium armor but you can't roll Need on light/heavy armor 'cause I need those"??

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PoPPaDoM
02.01.2012 , 04:58 PM | #892
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
Copy/pasting a definition from a third party doesn't prove that someone else misused a term, or that you weren't in fact engaging in the very behavior you were accused of. It just defines a term, a definition that, while appreciated, wasn't needed, though you had no way of knowing that.

As for the error being "schoolboy", you've yet to actually prove an error was made in the first place. Meanwhile, you again duck and weave your way out of actually proving your point, retreating behind "I don't have to" and "I already did", when the fact that people continue questioning your assertion should provide ample evidence that you actually haven't.
As I said, you accused me of ad-hominem. This was not and has not been demonstrable if you make an accusation of a logical fallacy then you have to back it up. You haven't done so. The end.

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ferroz
02.01.2012 , 04:59 PM | #893
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post
"Ok, just to let you all know. You guys can roll Need on medium armor but you can't roll Need on light/heavy armor 'cause I need those"??
I think you've been just skimming over people's arguments.

The answer is "No, sorry, you don't get to dictate what people roll on. They get to choose for themselves."

That's kind of the point. Rolls, where everyone chooses whether to roll or not = good, fair, unbiased, impartial.

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PoPPaDoM
02.01.2012 , 05:00 PM | #894
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
So, I'm going to take this as an admission that you aren't capable of showing how he misused the term, and we should just accept the truth of his claim that you are wrong about him misusing the term.
There is no we. There is just you.

I have, if your comprehension is lacking that is YOUR issue.

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Halinalle
02.01.2012 , 05:01 PM | #895
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
I think you've been just skimming over people's arguments.
So that's not what you guys say when you are social? The "speak up" thingy you all keep mentioning.

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ferroz
02.01.2012 , 05:01 PM | #896
Quote: Originally Posted by PoPPaDoM View Post
As I said, you accused me of ad-hominem.
Yes.

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This was not and has not been demonstrable if you make an accusation of a logical fallacy then you have to back it up.
Is that actually his claim? There is actually a difference between "ad hominem attacks" and "argument ad hominem" and I'm pretty sure he accused you of the former, not the latter.

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You haven't done so.
Diversionary.

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Galbatorrix
02.01.2012 , 05:01 PM | #897
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin View Post
And now we're pretty much back to "You're playing it wrong!"

If I were unlucky enough to hit someone who cares so little for anyone else's enjoyment, who was so wrapped up in their own progression that they'd consider someone else's desires inferior enough to do this, then we're better off just not grouping and everyone wins.

And if that were where it stopped, everyone would win. But it wouldn't stop there for you, would it? You'd be spamming fleet about ninjas and pirates, slandering anyone who dared to have a different priority to their gameplay than you did. And that's why it's a problem. Not only can you not respect another person's playstyle, you feel a need to actively attack it, to try and ruin their play experience simply for taking an even chance at an item for a reason different from your own.

It's always easy to respect the views that agree with us - so easy that I'd argue it doesn't even qualify. Giving someone what you believe they should have and calling it respect isn't. Dealing with someone with a different viewpoint, and bowing to that... That's respect.

LOL, good luck grouping in the future. You'd better hope they put in place a cross server LFFP type feature or you may have to reroll to find a group that will take you in. With my play style, I don't have to worry about it. No one complains when I need for my PC. NO ONE. Can the same be said for your play style? The fact is, the community dictates their own rules and I've played enough of these games to know that your side is seriously playing with fire. You may have 10 groups in a row where you're needing everything in sight with no one saying a word buteventually, when most people won't even respond to your whispers, you'll know exactly why.


These games revolve around gear for most people. Players want better gear to better their game. Heck, the whole end game is based off this concept. If they see you needing on a tank piece for your companion when the tank also needed it, you will hear about it. And hey, it's their right. Your decision to loot gear that was created with their class in mind was an insult to their play style just like their blasting you in gen chat/in their guild is an insult to you. You have a right to play your way and they have a right to play theirs.

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Irusan
02.01.2012 , 05:02 PM | #898
Quote: Originally Posted by PoPPaDoM View Post
As I said, you accused me of ad-hominem. This was not and has not been demonstrable if you make an accusation of a logical fallacy then you have to back it up. You haven't done so. The end.

Don't take offense, he says that to everyone. If you Google "Strawman" you will find his picture next to the definition, too.

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Eldren
02.01.2012 , 05:02 PM | #899
Quote: Originally Posted by PoPPaDoM View Post
As I said, you accused me of ad-hominem. This was not and has not been demonstrable if you make an accusation of a logical fallacy then you have to back it up. You haven't done so. The end.
You're right. I accused you of ad hominem. You said the accusation wasn't accurate. I told you to show me my error and prove how your previous post wasn't ad hominem. You copy/pasted a definition rife with editorial commentary that ate away at any objective facts it might have contained.

But at no point did you actually prove your post wasn't an ad hominem attack. I even went so far as to point out how it was, something you've yet to refute. In fact, you keep dancing around the refutation, which leads me to think you don't actually have a defensible rebuttal to begin with.
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Grecanis
02.01.2012 , 05:03 PM | #900
Quote: Originally Posted by PoPPaDoM View Post
As I said, you accused me of ad-hominem. This was not and has not been demonstrable if you make an accusation of a logical fallacy then you have to back it up. You haven't done so. The end.
I was speaking mistakenly. ..post edited.

My apologies to Eldren.
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