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fungihoujo
02.01.2012 , 03:30 PM | #51
Athletes- if you spend thousands of hours doing it, you might be good.

TOR pvpers- if you spend thousands of hours doing it, you'll have the gear, and you might be good.


That what you're getting at OP? I don't know many competitors in sports history that are spending less time at their craft than the pvpers spend gearing for theirs.

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Brutem
02.01.2012 , 03:53 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality View Post
Everyone is playing a video game for fun. Everyone plays a multiplayer game for fun - whether you have fun simply playing a game or whether you only have fun winning a game.
Fun is actually a funny thing, a new lv50 goes into a WZ to have fun, but is facerolled by people in full BM gear. While the person in full BM gear is having fun, its quite not fun being 3 shotted. What happens when a aspect is no longer fun? People either avoid it or go else where.

PvP gear simply encourages a grind, It DOES NOT mean you are a skilled player, it simply means you spent time in a grind. Look at all the players whom went from 1-50 in the early access, why did they do that in a story driven MMO? Because they wanted to be able to farm the BM gear before others got it, simple as that. In other words these players felt they needed a crutch to give them an edge facing other players. Gear makes up for lack of skill in PVP and is nothing more than a crutch.

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EternalFinality
02.01.2012 , 04:17 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Brutem View Post
Fun is actually a funny thing, a new lv50 goes into a WZ to have fun, but is facerolled by people in full BM gear. While the person in full BM gear is having fun, its quite not fun being 3 shotted. What happens when a aspect is no longer fun? People either avoid it or go else where.

PvP gear simply encourages a grind, It DOES NOT mean you are a skilled player, it simply means you spent time in a grind. Look at all the players whom went from 1-50 in the early access, why did they do that in a story driven MMO? Because they wanted to be able to farm the BM gear before others got it, simple as that. In other words these players felt they needed a crutch to give them an edge facing other players. Gear makes up for lack of skill in PVP and is nothing more than a crutch.
Exactly. On the whole, PvP in TOR really isn't fun when this is the case. Why do I keep playing it? Because every once in a while you get that one game where it just so happens that everyone's gear is about equal, and it's a fiercely fought battle. Winning Voidstar with <30seconds left. Winning Alderan 10-0. Winning Huttball by frantically running away with the ball and the score tied as time runs out.

Those games are FUN. But most of the time......

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GameNirvana
02.01.2012 , 04:37 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by fungihoujo View Post
Athletes- if you spend thousands of hours doing it, you might be good.

TOR pvpers- if you spend thousands of hours doing it, you'll have the gear, and you might be good.


That what you're getting at OP? I don't know many competitors in sports history that are spending less time at their craft than the pvpers spend gearing for theirs.
Sorry man that's just not the way it works. When you play PvP, you grind for skill. If you want to use a proper analogy:

sports players grind at their sport to get better at the game.

PvP game players should also grind at their game to get better at it. It's as simple as that.

You play to get better, not receive gear-based rewards that make you better.

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GameNirvana
02.01.2012 , 04:41 PM | #55
however, many people need to L2read.

The OP isn't just about leagues and athletes. It's about the sport. Soccer is played by probably one billion people worldwide - mostly people just having fun in the "back yard".

I play basketball just to have fun. I play it and want to be competitive at it.

The story is that sports thrive all over the world because of competitiveness in people. You don't need to be an athlete. This is why it's more applicable to us.

It's also the same reason why FPS are so successful. You don't have to be an FPS to have fair competition though. The MMO that realizes this and appeases more than one type of players will be better off.

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fungihoujo
02.01.2012 , 04:42 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by GameNirvana View Post
Sorry man that's just not the way it works. When you play PvP, you grind for skill. If you want to use a proper analogy:

sports players grind at their sport to get better at the game.

PvP game players should also grind at their game to get better at it. It's as simple as that.

You play to get better, not receive gear-based rewards that make you better.
Does it really matter if you're grinding at it regardless?

Also... that is how it works, so-


In your face.

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Starbuckx
02.01.2012 , 04:45 PM | #57
Didn't read you post but would agree with the title.

Why would they change this game in such a fundamental way when they have already developed it? They can't do it not, its too late, so if you don't want gear in a game, don't play this game.

Guildwars is the only game I know that has insta pvp, but I don't know the game well.
Try that if its what you want.

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DrekorSilverfang
02.01.2012 , 04:46 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by fungihoujo View Post
Does it really matter if you're grinding at it regardless?

Also... that is how it works, so-


In your face.
Yes it should.

On one hand you are improving your own skill and on the other only your gear. What this means is that with the latter you have someone who is awful at the game but dominates people because he has better gear. Whoever with the former it means someone that is incredibly good at the game but doesn't have the gear is competitive. It's a much better system for PvP.

Also just to chime in on the "money" thing... some starcraft players make an extremely nice living off being a pro-gamer.

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lendaugy
02.01.2012 , 04:46 PM | #59
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need a TL;DR for the TL;DR
These people are whats wrong with the human race
As the always wise yoda once said, " Live Long and Prosper!"

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Voloon
02.01.2012 , 04:48 PM | #60
Gawd, I'm so sick of these posts about gear. Get over it. Yes, in competition, ideally, you'd want people with the same gear, the same skill, the same classes, the same everything. That isn't life, nor would pvp or sports be very interesting if it was. The fact is, this is an MMO, gear will ALWAYS matter.

Here's somethings you CAN complain about:
1) How you get the gear.
2) The disparity between the gear.
3) Access to the gear.

However, complaining that there is a gear difference is just a complete willful ignorance of the genre. One of the biggest features of these kinds of games, is to show that my axe is bigger than yours, and no amount of philosophical posturing and analogies will change that.
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