What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Put full loot in and let Darwin do the rest.

Oh also, has anyone ever played Gunbound? It was a fairly popular free game about...say....9 years ago, that was sort of like Worms. On your turn you should shoot at other players, and killing people/winning gave money which could buy gear which gave better stats. (Accuracy, power, hp, etc).

Eventually they turned it into a microtransaction game where you could buy the gear with real money instead of farming it.

But they also had one key option - when creating a match you could tick a flag to ignore stats from gear. This made all gear cosmetic and added no stats.

Overwhelmingly, people played with this option on.

Can you figure out why?

What server you on? Villis Andal of Tempest. I miss those days. Sorry to interrupt PvP expertise is a joke thread. Send me a PM if your guild is looking to add.

I have a question since everyone's saying winning is totally gear based... If a bad player has lots of expertise runs into a really good player with none, will the bad player win? PvP'ing is more than mashing buttons. It's knowing when to LoS, when to interupt, dancing in and out of range... positioning to knock your opponent into the acid/fire then stunning them or off a ledge... you get the point

Also, Im not saying i have a definite opinion either way. I play WZ's because i like objective games and the 3 here are fun!

Huttball = Capture the Flag
Voidstar = Demolition
Alderan = Domination

ps.. i play lots of CoD too

I have never seen someone whine so much about something that is never going to get changed, no matter how much you sit here all days whining about how a game should be about how your button pushing "skills" should be the deciding factor in a MMO is just not going to be the case. This game has gear and always will, and It will be a factor, no matter what you think.

They are not going to change it simply because a extremely small group of players want it one specific way, and on top of that you only want it changed in one aspect of the game, PVP. It's just not going to happen like that. End of story.
Maybe you don't have to time to grind it out or whatever, and thats fine but all MMOs are time consuming no matter how you look at it. If you dont like it then you probably invest your freetime elsewhere and stop complaning.

In all the time you sat here complaning about how you think the game "should be" in your world, you could of been grinding out your gear, or you could of just quit and done us all a favor. Maybe you should go try and start your own MMO with your ideas and see how successful it turns out.

The thing is, except for sociopaths, it's not a small group - everyone wants it this way subconsciously. Normal people don't like beating up the weak or taking satisfaction from winning a stacked matchup.

In MMOs with flawed PvP design, they just have no choice.

They came for the PvE anyways.

Uh why do you think they created a 50s bracket within a few weeks after the game was released?

I doubt very much just because "a extremely small group of players" wanted it that way.

It was because of the fundamental problem of PvP play imbalance - and players were getting ROFL STOMPED by 50 teams on a regular excruciating basis.

Now if they had designed the game where you could only PvP once you hit 50 - then there would be no reason to complain.

But they designed the game where players could start PvP'ng at lvl 10 or above. Except it wasn't working because - only a few misanthropic players enjoy being ROFL STOMPLED against 50s. Most players find it not fun at all. And my guess is - SWTOR PvP devs quickly figured that out from the level of complaints they were getting.

And there still is a BALANCE problem with their PvP in my opinion. And without some range of BALANCE - it is not fun to PvP. You need balance for good play.

Or make like the GW's concept, where you unlock gear. Then you can make a pvp only character and use any gear you've unlocked! Since it's only available in pvp instances, it wouldn't affect PvE play one bit! Just allows the people to grind out for their unlocks, and then enjoy the game the way they want to enjoy it! However this doesn't stop people who grind out their own toons and gear from PvE, they can still come and enjoy it as well.

Okay I see how it is for you.

That lv10 who just kill you must be all skill because he have zero Expertise even if he just back-peddle while that lv50 with full BM in lv50 bracket must have no skill because he have 600+ Expertise.

Really? Seriously how bias can people get?

It's realistically a really small group of people.

"Normal people" like to play an RPG for progression and gear.

Most video games are played by beating up the weak and winning stacked matchups.