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Gear based PvP is amateur hour

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Gear based PvP is amateur hour

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fungihoujo
02.01.2012 , 02:19 PM | #271
Quote: Originally Posted by Asnine View Post
It's a problem when your 10-49 bracket is regarded by many people as much better than your 50 bracket.

Is there progression in the 10-49 bracket? Yes. Is it relatively (not really...but moreso than the 50 bracket) well balanced? I guess so.


But once again, I think gear (aka time spent) SHOULD give an advantage.....just not as large as an advantage. 10% more health (or something like that) would be a fairly large advantage in PvP without being game breaking. It becomes game breaking when you have almost double the health, while also dealing double the damage and getting double the healing, etc.
I don't see the problem at all- for people who like the skill game, 10-49 is balanced for them. Is the balance perfect? No, but it's easily within that 10% you talk about.

For those who like the progression, there's 50.

It appeases both sides. The only group it doesn't appease are those who don't want to admit they like progression and are stuck at the new 50 hump. Those people could forget progression and play an alt, have fun pvping... but, they keep progressing anyway- you can't please that group regardless though.

I enjoy myself, usually, whichever bracket I'm in- I don't have full BM gear- only have 200 expertise- and most of the Republic guilds on my server hit 50 first week and are in full BM gear.

That's fine by me- I deal with it, learn to play against them while they have the gear advantage. As I gain gear, I see them as less of a threat- once I reach their gear, which will be soon- the gear grind isn't that bad at all- it becomes the skill game again.


If a couple weeks of grinding things were so offputting, I probably wouldn't be a fan of mmorpgs, as this is NOT the worst grind I've seen in the slightest.

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Zedzorander
02.01.2012 , 02:21 PM | #272
Quote: Originally Posted by IThrowRocks View Post
So you think rewards should be skill based? The people with the most skill will gain a higher rank and then unlock new abilities, buffs and skills? So the better players will gain access to new powerful stuff while unskilled players will be stuck with the standard stuff.

Help me follow this time line:

1) You want PvP to be skill based
2) You think gear creates an unfair advantage even though it is extremely easy to obtain and everyone has access to it.
3) You suggest creating a system that gives the skilled highly powerful exclusive abilities and skills, while the unskilled or people who don’t start quickly become extremely underpowered.

You just solved your problem by giving it steroids and cutting its leash.
I don't believe that this is true. The attraction of 1-49 pvp is that its essentially skill based reward system. Lvl 10 has all the same resistances and stats but less skills. But its still fun, no matter what, and its more fun the more cool skills you have.

Players at lvl 49 don't have exclusive abilities and skills they just have more, than lower lvls. This makes their playstyle and experience more fun, but doesn't necessarily make them more effective.

All I'm saying is its easy to take what they've done 1-49 and mimic at 50. Keeping it skill based is a much better model.
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Calei
02.01.2012 , 02:29 PM | #273
You want a challenge? Roll a new alt and hit the warzones at lvl 11. You have enough skills to deal damage and kill lvl 40+ players. I've done it and it feels awesome. The 40+ do have an advantage due to more tools but, I have enough tools to deal enough damage to kill them.

The only thing I fear is the lvl 49's quitting before the end of a warzone and buying pvp weapons, removing the expertise mod and popping it in thier gear. At that point the 10-49 PVP would probably become retarded just like the lvl 50 PVP.

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Razot
02.01.2012 , 02:44 PM | #274
Gear progression is fine. Expertise is fine as well.

If it wasn't for these systems of pure win we wouldn't have such incredible PVP like this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

That video is clearly the best PVP ive seen in years...

Cause we all know REAL PVPers dont PVP at all, they FARM!!

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Brutem
02.01.2012 , 02:57 PM | #275
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post

If it wasn't for these systems of pure win we wouldn't have such incredible PVP like this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

That video is clearly the best PVP ive seen in years...

Cause we all know REAL PVPers dont PVP at all, they FARM!!
Sad to say i doubt anything would ever happen, we saw how they handled the other pvp incidents.

This happens to get gear, looks like fun to me. All that skill involved so they can get the BM gear and then faceroll new 50s. Working as intended.

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Calei
02.01.2012 , 02:58 PM | #276
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
Gear progression is fine. Expertise is fine as well.

If it wasn't for these systems of pure win we wouldn't have such incredible PVP like this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

That video is clearly the best PVP ive seen in years...

Cause we all know REAL PVPers dont PVP at all, they FARM!!
Exactly.

These people want me to play lvl 50 PVP? Why? To compete against these clowns?

What a joke of a game.

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DarthNethus
02.01.2012 , 03:00 PM | #277
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
Gear progression is fine. Expertise is fine as well.

If it wasn't for these systems of pure win we wouldn't have such incredible PVP like this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

That video is clearly the best PVP ive seen in years...

Cause we all know REAL PVPers dont PVP at all, they FARM!!
I wish people were doing this on my server... Then I could participate in some real pro PVP.

/Sarcasm.
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Asnine
02.01.2012 , 03:01 PM | #278
Just another side note....not facing as daunting a gear gap *might* help server population too.

I know the biggest reason I didn't want to reroll (I ended up doing it anyways) was because I didn't feel like grinding out all my champ/bm gear again.

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DrekorSilverfang
02.01.2012 , 03:02 PM | #279
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality View Post
That's a made up genre name. It's an MMORPG where you just play battlegrounds.
It's actually an RTS

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DirtyDiggler
02.01.2012 , 03:05 PM | #280
Darkfall 2 if it ever launches....