What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

SWG w So someone getting lucky every now and then with a good slice or whatever did not give them a benefit forever.

Also, since everything was crafted everything was attainable.

As it is now, it's TOO heavily reliant on gear. Not that there shouldn't be gear in the game at all... but not one set to rule them all type gear... Something to work towards is progression and a staple of MMOs, but imo to give you a SLIGHT advantage or interesting things without being completely necessary to have and without it makes everything imbalanced... and what about the future, alts, new ppl to SWTOR, slower progression ppl getting to 50 and PvP fresh... getting faceplanted by most everyone else in BM gear. That's how heavily the gear makes a difference, really. Just becomes gear > skill, not to say zero skill is still involved I've seen Centurion/fresh 50s do really well with a coord communicative team.

NOW 8 BM vs 8 BMs is on a more even level and would be more fun... there needs to be another 50s bracket almost so those valor 60 and thus can wear BM don't fight many freshs with low valor and no expertise or low level expertise gear. Yeah, pop issues with this.

It's also not fun for a long grinded BM (wont count the ones who exploited Illum) grouped with mostly fresh 50s and lose not because of skill but their gear. And they always blame fresh 50s anyways and leave... sure, experience matters if ppl dont listen or no coordination or communication doesnt matter what gear you have ultimately.

The issue isn't the gear... The issue is how Expertise works.

PVP stats are fine if you do them right.

I'm not sure who came up with the idea of giving expertise an increase of damage to a player, but it serves no purpose.

Your "fact" is BS. DAoC was successful for years without a gear treadmill. You got to level cap, you got your spellcrafted gear (which was all player made and easily obtainable with a minimum level of effort), and you were good to go. What killed that game was the introduction of required PvE to do RvR in Trials of Atlantis.

Shortly after ToA was released and the masses had a chance to discover what a giant mess it was, WoW promised better PvP that didn't require a stupid gear grind. Blizzard made it, and they've always produced fantastic games, so it must be true right? So people left, and DAoC mostly died.

By the time those of us who wanted real RvR and PvP realized we'd been duped, it was really too late and we'd all turned into carebears because we just did the PvE grind without thinking much about it after the ToA debacle in DAoC.

Yes, renown ranks and abilities made a difference, but when you integrate them into the base class like SWTOR has, they aren't necessary and never served as a major reason to RvR because after the first few you had the important abilities and you were good to go.

TL;DR - People who enjoy PvP and RvR do it because they enjoy the competition and they don't need any representative of their success other than a ranking scoreboard.

So because PVP gear which is permanent its bad? Everyone can get PVP its not about time but about luck most of the time if you where to PVP around 2 hours a day for 2 weeks you will probably get the full set getting the 60 valor is just grinding. But lets say all gear was equal for the hell of it. Enlighten me on this "PVP around player skills will be." Based on you complaining about OP; I can already tell how good your "skills" are.

my bad then, it was pre-CU. Things degraded, but it was not that bad.

Getting the weapon was luck off of Axvha Minh. But the armor was all crafted, and when you were an Armorsmith, it wasn't a big deal to get.

Thanks for making me miss the crafting in that game too. What server were you on? Starsider here!

I know lot of the folks, including myself, have full sets of high tier PVP gear and haven't even done a single flashpoint or raid.

I just wanted to disagree here... completely. "The game" isn't PVE and if it were you'd have a lot fewer subcribers.

I'd go so far as to say that the PVE in this game is terrible. Aside from the single player storylines and voice acting, it is total rubbish. Grinding through unimaginative Ops to get gear? Eternity vault, where it takes about 2 minutes to figure out and master the encounter? That's "the game"?

I guess once you're bored with normal mode, you can hop into hardmode ops where the devs spent 30 seconds coding an enrage mechanic into the mobs and then pretend like its a whole new experience.

PVP will keep this game on life support far longer than PVE raiders will. At least the PVP experience, even with only three warzones and a couple of world PVP areas, changes each time you do it.

Not DAOC, also known as the greatest PVP game to have ever been...

The end game loot was capped at an easily obtainable point, there was no gear grind. You hit level cap, you got your gear, then you PVP for the sheer sake of crushing your enemies.

Ah good times... before the birth of many of these fledgling gimme gamers who feel power should come from a time investment rather than knowledge.

To translate YOUR posts... "I want wins handed to me."

Competition is about WINNING. Not about being fair. People do what it takes to win. They grind for hours and hours on end to get the gear they need to WIN. What you are saying is the equivalent to rigging the olympics to give normal people a chance to beat trained and gifted athletes. Those guys "no lifed" it to get where they are. They had to put WORK in to be competitive. You might say "well this is just a game durr" but so is basketball and football, and those games you watch are played by people who bust their asses to be where they are.

I can play that game also.

You suggest that a new employee should be given the same 100k salary for showing up to work as the 20 year vet who has vastly more experience. In your world this is fair.