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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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Torleen
02.01.2012 , 01:04 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by RycheMykola View Post
Very true. I had a Legendary Nightsister Lance with a sick Mind Disease on it. Couple that with full doctors buffs and 4x80%/70% composite armor. (pre-NGE)

ya, not gear based.

/sarcasm.
SWG was around for a long time. DOT weapons went away after the CU. And even with the weapons you are talking about they degraded so they would not last forever. So someone getting lucky every now and then with a good slice or whatever did not give them a benefit forever.

Also, since everything was crafted everything was attainable.
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DrekorSilverfang
02.01.2012 , 01:05 PM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by TItanten View Post
Having gear matter in pvp is honestly the dumbest thing about MMO pvp.

When you can win a fight before a shot is launched just because you outgear somone does not make a good game.

The problem is, how do you get people to pvp if gear doesn't matter and they don't have that carrot on a stick?
Most serious pvp games have a ladder of some variety or tournaments and such. Something that players can compete and and point to and say "look how awesome I am!"

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Red_Cruiser
02.01.2012 , 01:05 PM | #133
Design the PvP first, then make the PvE numbers work around it. Adding -30% healing trauma inherent to all PvP AND require such a bad stat like Expertise? Square... peg... not quite... fitting in... circular hole.

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DarthSalt
02.01.2012 , 01:11 PM | #134
As soon as I hit 50:

I should be able to PvP with the same gear as Battlemasters.
I should be able to PvE with the same gear as hardcore raiders.

Why do you have an objection to the first statement and not the second?

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ErisktheRed
02.01.2012 , 01:14 PM | #135
As it is now, it's TOO heavily reliant on gear. Not that there shouldn't be gear in the game at all... but not one set to rule them all type gear... Something to work towards is progression and a staple of MMOs, but imo to give you a SLIGHT advantage or interesting things without being completely necessary to have and without it makes everything imbalanced... and what about the future, alts, new ppl to SWTOR, slower progression ppl getting to 50 and PvP fresh... getting faceplanted by most everyone else in BM gear. That's how heavily the gear makes a difference, really. Just becomes gear > skill, not to say zero skill is still involved I've seen Centurion/fresh 50s do really well with a coord communicative team.

NOW 8 BM vs 8 BMs is on a more even level and would be more fun... there needs to be another 50s bracket almost so those valor 60 and thus can wear BM don't fight many freshs with low valor and no expertise or low level expertise gear. Yeah, pop issues with this.

It's also not fun for a long grinded BM (wont count the ones who exploited Illum) grouped with mostly fresh 50s and lose not because of skill but their gear. And they always blame fresh 50s anyways and leave... sure, experience matters if ppl dont listen or no coordination or communication doesnt matter what gear you have ultimately.
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Felene
02.01.2012 , 01:15 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
Nobody is forcing you to read it. Or to project into it either. If it's such a waste of time why don't you go do something else?

Or is there something you are worried about? Like maybe your OP class getting nerfed and your gear being rendered irrelevant you might have to as most elitist PVPers say 'learn to play"?
Jump to conclusion much?

I am a clicker and I back-peddle all the time while my main is still lv44 medic op with lv44 valor.

All these "real pvper" and "elitist pvper" got nothing to do with me.

The problem at hand is your vision of pvp doesn't equal to my vision of pvp.

You think you are right and I think you are wrong, I don't think its a waste of tiem to voice my opinion simple as that.
Do this ASAP, do that ASAP, fix this you *****, fix that you *****, *** is this? FAIL! I unsub!

Don't you people ever grow up?

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Morevil
02.01.2012 , 01:16 PM | #137
The issue isn't the gear... The issue is how Expertise works.

PVP stats are fine if you do them right.

I'm not sure who came up with the idea of giving expertise an increase of damage to a player, but it serves no purpose.

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RycheMykola
02.01.2012 , 01:16 PM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
SWG was around for a long time. DOT weapons went away after the CU. And even with the weapons you are talking about they degraded so they would not last forever. So someone getting lucky every now and then with a good slice or whatever did not give them a benefit forever.

Also, since everything was crafted everything was attainable.
my bad then, it was pre-CU. Things degraded, but it was not that bad.

Getting the weapon was luck off of Axvha Minh. But the armor was all crafted, and when you were an Armorsmith, it wasn't a big deal to get.

Thanks for making me miss the crafting in that game too. What server were you on? Starsider here!

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LordSemaj
02.01.2012 , 01:16 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Aowar View Post
Oh I'm sorry, you thought this was an FPS game. See in MMO's there is this thing called progression. I know this is a foreign concept to you but it is what every MMO is based on.
Not DAOC, also known as the greatest PVP game to have ever been...

The end game loot was capped at an easily obtainable point, there was no gear grind. You hit level cap, you got your gear, then you PVP for the sheer sake of crushing your enemies.

Ah good times... before the birth of many of these fledgling gimme gamers who feel power should come from a time investment rather than knowledge.

To translate YOUR posts... "I want wins handed to me."
You can try to explain PVP to the ignorant... but you cannot Force them to understand it.

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Torleen
02.01.2012 , 01:17 PM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by Felene View Post
Jump to conclusion much?

I am a clicker and I back-peddle all the time while my main is still lv42 medic op with lv44 valor.

All these "real pvper" and "elitist pvper" got nothing to do with me.

The problem at hand is your vision of pvp doesn't equal to my vision of pvp.

You think you are right and I think you are wrong, I don't think its a waste of tiem to voice my opinion simple as that.
Ah, but you think you should lecture me into not voicing mine?

I don't think it is a waste of time to voice my opinion. Simple as that.
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