What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Well when people started playing all those games like Doom, UnReal, or thousands of others they all had the same gear.

PVP if fun without the gear. Otherwise your argument would be that no one ever buys or plays these other games?

The problem is the PVP players insist they need a assentive to PVP, this is a lie.

I do not need a assentive to PVE or PVP. It is a game.

Figure it out and do not accept lies based on no proof.

Wow a compelling argument allow me to counter with another equally well thought out and well reasoned reply.

No.

I know lot of the folks, including myself, have full sets of high tier PVP gear and haven't even done a single flashpoint or raid.

Are you basing this guess off of MMOs that have been successful in the west aside from WoW? If so, which ones?

To be honest, I could care less about those people as they are not PvPers but PvEers who don't want to deal with competing with other people for loot drops in flashpoints/operations. They can sit in the chair all day riding their teams coat-tails to easy epics and feel all warm and fuzzy inside ignorantly thinking they are somebody now.

Except with the way some FPS games are going, they're turning into RPG progression.

Take BF3 for example. You get ranks and the higher rank you are, the better accessories, weapons, and character skills you unlock. Those things still give your char an advantage, and still comes down to the longer someone plays, the better stuff they get.

I haven't played MW series in a long while, but I recall there was some similar progression to it.

So even FPS are going that way, to some extent. It's kinda sad really.

Developers should just move progression/attention from gear to something else as much addicting and less penalizing for the whole experience.

They should work on a system where people feel rewarded and are still able to brag if they are succesful in PvP. I really think almost everyone would be happy to have a lot more character and item customization options that wont affect stats as a reward for their PvP efforts. New systems and mechanics that play on intricacies between player factions, to allow smart players to have fun and make the battles much more interesting.

Sometimes i feel game designers take the easy route not because of their lack of imagination, but since these multimillion dollar projects are forced to follow a safe way even if new ideas would clearly work and benefit the games.

Indeed you have, you have post the same thing over and over again for almost 6 months now in beta and launch forum yet nothing in pvp changes your way.

You know the definition of insanity is right? Don't do this to yourself and others.

THERE IS A VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION.

I happen to like gearing up via PVP, as I dislike raids and PVE in general. However, that does not mean that the gear I get should automatically make me beat everyone who does not have as much time to PVP as I do solely because of my gear. If I am a better player then I will win because I practiced more and got better. Period.

Now, the concern of people getting PVE gear and ruling PVP is a valid concern. However this can be solved by simply allowing people to use the PVP gear system to get gear that is equivalent to those who are PVEing.

Again, I like getting gear through PVP. But that does not mean I need to handicap everyone trying to get into PVP.

That whole attitude is actually where the whiny "entitlement" fingers should be pointed.

You want to win? Get better at PVP.

If you need a grind crutch, you are not a better player. Period.

I really don't see why we can't just have it both ways. The 10-49 bracket is already halfway there, they'd just have to make a couple changes to it (see sig). If people want to pvp for gear then they play with people just like them. If people don't want to pvp for gear then they play with people just like them.

If after a while one queue no longer pops then you have your answer. If both queues stay healthy then it's just to each their own.