What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Pretty sure balancing out your stats on gear is part of the skill thing. Right now most people just dump as much as they want into expertise and hope its the best stats for PvP, eventually with testing done people will find that for their class this is not always the case. Gear tailored to your spec and playstyle is part of the skill that is in MMO PvP.

Without a noticable progression with time investment they might as well remove the leveling all together and let everyone end game everything PvE included. PvP gearing is in response to raid gearing, it creates a progression for PvP so that a PvE hero can't come in with their gear (world or WZ) and demolish the PvPers. Removing the PvP gear doesn't level out the playing field, now instead of getting kicked all over the field by the PvPer who has spent his time PvPing you get demolished by the PvEer who just wants to get a few kicks in for the day. That is unless you go and PvE for their gear.

I think the core of the problem here is that we have allowed greedy executives to re-define what MMO PVP is into something they hope will keep us playing their game longer.

They are trying to apply the PVE grinding formula to PVP as far as what will keep people coming back.

Gear progression is nonsense. Give us some RVR objectives that impact the game world we play in. THAT will keep us coming back.

Or if you really must cater to the "donkeys" who think that the carrot on the stick they got is a magical item that makes them valid as human beings then give us a bracket where Expertise does not work.

I want the statistical advantage to be capped at 5% If you want the 5% bonus fine. Grind. You shouldn't need 20%.

Whoever gave pvp gear that big of an edge is dumb. Period. That is the facts on battlemaster expertise gear verses level 50 gear no expertise.

20%.

That is a huge crutch. I say reward the grinders with reasonable advantages.

DON"T NERF THE GEAR.

Improve the availablity of gear below valor 60 with expertise PREFERRABLY using crafters. That is all.

no, because certain classes have statistical advantages over others as well..and then specs beyond that. This game won't have perfect balance even if we weren't wearing gear. But I'm telling you this now. Tons of people wouldn't do WZ at all if they didn't have to grind gear and then the ques for all you try hards that want to showcase you "skill" would go through the roof, if they aren't already that is.

The problem in this game is there aren't any really 'interesting' abilities that can be used skillfully. So you find this disparaging gap between geared and nongeared players because "outplaying" someone isn't as much of a factor.

ITT people with **** gear explain how good gear is bad

Not if the stats are normalized. Using a mathematical formula you can make ANY PVE gear of any tier deal Y damage to player X.

Tier 1 player with 100 strength attacks player X with 1,500 health for 100 dmg.
Tier 100 player with 10,000 strength attacks player X with 150,000 health for 10,000 dmg.
Tier 100 player with 10,000 strength attacks player X with 1,500 health for 100 dmg.

No matter the gear, player X dies in 15 hits.

PVP back then, people in Naxxramas 40 gear OWNED all others.

People were crying back then they needed to do PVE raiding to be competitive.

Hence, the introduction of PVP gear into WOW.

I miss the player crafter based economy of SWG. Where someone could actually be KNOWN for being a good crafter. And have that be something of note.

What makes the 1-49 bracket so "fair" is that 30-49 have a clear advantage over 10-29 for many classes. Don't act like everyone is on equal footing with no differences at all, that isn't even remotely true.

I can agree with this. Great idea. Would actually give the professions some useful gear to make too. PVPing at 50 with 0 expertise is rough!