Gear based PvP is amateur hour

With no progression.....

This was done in WOW. The Raiders then stopped doing Raids because getting the best gear in game through Arena was far easier and quicker.

People take the path of least resistance for getting gear.

You're hopeless if you really believe that. Guild Wars is not MMO and is much more advanced then dota. And its not meda up considering there is a fair share of games of that type and still new ones are being made. Just to name you a couple so you can tell difference from MMO and MOBA:
MMOs:
WHO, AoC, Aion, TOR, WoW, STO, MO
MOBAs:
LoL, HoN, BC, WH:WOH, DotA2

And exactly between them, too limited for MMO and too expanded for MOBA lies Guild Wars.

I understand this argument but people who complain about pvp gear in swtor are silly imo.

Firstly, I believe that a sense of progression is needed in this game to keep people playing and enjoying the game. Guild Wars does not do that and is more skill based with an even stat playing field. It might be a very popular game but it is not on the level of games in the same exact archetype as SWTOR. SWTOR/WoW/insert mmorpg make more money than the games like guild wars. The market is larger for them. To really look at this you need to get rid of your hardcore gamer viewpoint and think like a businessman. These companies are not interested in making hardcore gamers happy. They are interested in money. Why else would you create a company that makes video games? Appealing to the masses is the smarter move with video games. Look at WoW. Lowering raid group numbers, simplifying gear, adding pandas for Christ sake; WoW has increased its subscription count and gained popularity over the years because they are starting to market to a larger group (casual gamers). Hardcore gamers are always going to play, casual gamers need to be enticed. SWTOR’s decision to have a progression based pvp system is a business segment decision. Simple as that.

Secondly, I really have a hard time understanding why people are complaining about gear. Champion gear is stupid easy to obtain in this game. This game is designed to net you 20 bags a week simply from dailys/weeklys. If you enjoy doing warzones, you’ll get even more through comms. Give it 2-4 weeks and you will easily be full cent/champ. BM is a different story since it is a long grind to valor 60, but the difference between champion and BM is nothing that should genuinely create a problematic gap. I dinged 50 5 days ago and I have farmed about 25 bags since then acquiring 6 champ items and 1 cent item easily putting me on par with my opponents. Sure people in full champ gear have an edge on me but I play a pretty good sage and still succeed a lot. Everyone who enjoys PvP is going to get to BM and then it becomes a level field. But progression is a driving factor.

Thirdly , how can a game have a successful PvP system without gear while allowing for a successful PvE system without the use of PvP gear? Champion gear is honestly the easiest and quickest way to start stepping into normal mode ops. PvP gear is not as good for PvE but it is still useful. And honestly the game would not have successful PvP if they had nothing to show for their effort while PvE content gave gear. You can spend hours doing this and receive a pat on the back or spend hours doing that and get epic gear. PvP just got less popular and now the game’s PvP is dead and you will start complaining about that. So even if they do negate gear upgrades in PvP, this type of system would kill PvP because the population will decrease with no reward while there is another segment in the game that hands out cookies for playing.

Fact of the matter is the game is designed like this because it is how these games are designed. If you want a game like guild wars then go play guild wars. But this is a completely different game style and it is set up in this fashion for a reason. If you like to eat apples don’t go to the banana stand and start yelling at the owner. Your just making yourself look like a fool honestly.

I understand this argument but people who complain about pvp gear in swtor are silly imo.

Firstly, I believe that a sense of progression is needed in this game to keep people playing and enjoying the game. Guild Wars does not do that and is more skill based with an even stat playing field. It might be a very popular game but it is not on the level of games in the same exact archetype as SWTOR. SWTOR/WoW/insert mmorpg make more money than the games like guild wars. The market is larger for them. To really look at this you need to get rid of your hardcore gamer viewpoint and think like a businessman. These companies are not interested in making hardcore gamers happy. They are interested in money. Why else would you create a company that makes video games? Appealing to the masses is the smarter move with video games. Look at WoW. Lowering raid group numbers, simplifying gear, adding pandas for Christ sake; WoW has increased its subscription count and gained popularity over the years because they are starting to market to a larger group (casual gamers). Hardcore gamers are always going to play, casual gamers need to be enticed. SWTOR’s decision to have a progression based pvp system is a business segment decision. Simple as that.

Secondly, I really have a hard time understanding why people are complaining about gear. Champion gear is stupid easy to obtain in this game. This game is designed to net you 20 bags a week simply from dailys/weeklys. If you enjoy doing warzones, you’ll get even more through comms. Give it 2-4 weeks and you will easily be full cent/champ. BM is a different story since it is a long grind to valor 60, but the difference between champion and BM is nothing that should genuinely create a problematic gap. I dinged 50 5 days ago and I have farmed about 25 bags since then acquiring 6 champ items and 1 cent item easily putting me on par with my opponents. Sure people in full champ gear have an edge on me but I play a pretty good sage and still succeed a lot. Everyone who enjoys PvP is going to get to BM and then it becomes a level field. But progression is a driving factor.

Thirdly , how can a game have a successful PvP system without gear while allowing for a successful PvE system without the use of PvP gear? Champion gear is honestly the easiest and quickest way to start stepping into normal mode ops. PvP gear is not as good for PvE but it is still useful. And honestly the game would not have successful PvP if they had nothing to show for their effort while PvE content gave gear. You can spend hours doing this and receive a pat on the back or spend hours doing that and get epic gear. PvP just got less popular and now the game’s PvP is dead and you will start complaining about that. So even if they do negate gear upgrades in PvP, this type of system would kill PvP because the population will decrease with no reward while there is another segment in the game that hands out cookies for playing.

Fact of the matter is the game is designed like this because it is how these games are designed. If you want a game like guild wars then go play guild wars. But this is a completely different game style and it is set up in this fashion for a reason. If you like to eat apples don’t go to the banana stand and start yelling at the owner. Your just making yourself look like a fool honestly.

No. Not really. PvE gear was still vastly superior for PvE. The only worthwile PvP items that were worth getting for raids were weapons. Resilience made everything else just on pair with some poor pve epic gear, no sane tank or healer would wear pvp set in pve. Unless PvE content there is THAT much nerfed and since its blizz, it probably is "because fresh max levels could not get best set in a week or so and since they pay they are entitled to".

True, I should have added that the top raiders were doing Arena to get the weapons. Heck, the PVE weapons were just a tad better than the PVP arena weapons. I forget the website, but there are lists that rank gear for PVE, arena gear is ranked very high on those lists.

Look at the WOW forums, tons of PVEers complain about people raiding and doing instances in PVP gear (because it is easiest to get).

Thats just how MMO's are. If PVP is easy to get gear, people will PVP. If PVE is easier to get gear, people will PVE.

People are asking for Gear balancing in PVP. How would that be done? Theres only 2 choices!
a.) Gear normalization, ie, everyone PVP's in gear with equal stats
b.) no gear in PVP.

True, I should have added that the top raiders were doing Arena to get the weapons. Heck, the PVE weapons were just a tad better than the PVP arena weapons. I forget the website, but there are lists that rank gear for PVE, arena gear is ranked very high on those lists.

Look at the WOW forums, tons of PVEers complain about people raiding and doing instances in PVP gear (because it is easiest to get).

Thats just how MMO's are. If PVP is easy to get gear, people will PVP. If PVE is easier to get gear, people will PVE.

People are asking for Gear balancing in PVP. How would that be done? Theres only 2 choices!
a.) Gear normalization, ie, everyone PVP's in gear with equal stats
b.) no gear in PVP.