What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Competition is about WINNING. Not about being fair. People do what it takes to win. They grind for hours and hours on end to get the gear they need to WIN. What you are saying is the equivalent to rigging the olympics to give normal people a chance to beat trained and gifted athletes. Those guys "no lifed" it to get where they are. They had to put WORK in to be competitive. You might say "well this is just a game durr" but so is basketball and football, and those games you watch are played by people who bust their asses to be where they are.

You're not the only one buddy. My entire guild and many people in other guilds I know are DYING for this game to come out. Realm vs Realm and non-gear based PVP. Oh how I rejoice the thought...

Any system that provides any method of obtaining a statistical advantage for one character over another character of the same class (not including consumables) is completely BROKEN.

PvP is not and can never be based on an RPG because they are mutually exclusive concepts.

RPGs are all about removing the player's impact on the outcome of the character's actions.

PvP is all about removing the character's impact on the outcome in order to showcase the player's skill.

And you see, if they were GOOD PLAYERS one of those labels some of these types throw around then they should not mind if the person coming into their bracket has the same chance as them.

Is the definition of "good player" someone who grinds more?

I don't feel it is. And if that is all it is then I really don't care to be what they consider "good". As that is a pathetic joke of a goal. We need to point out that the carrot on the stick these guys grabbed is actually a big sign over their head that says "LOSER" because if you have to win because of some game code then you are still losing.

If someone just coming to the 50 bracket is still on equal footing with you and you have PVPed more then you need to learn to play. Oh look, a logical application for ANOTHER term that they throw around constantly.

Is "learning to play" grinding more then everyone else?

Or is it practicing, perfecting your build and developing a strategy and skill rotation?

Really folks, speak out. Shatter the illusion. These people like living in the matrix where they can pretend they are awesome. Rather then actually being good at something.

These people act like they are the top of the food chain in the PVP community. Like they should have the right to look down on or spit on people because they have an e-peen. It's time to bring things back to reality. And the reality is that grinding more does not mean you are a better PVPer. And winning a fight because you had better gear does not make you a better PVPer. It makes you a better grinder. And anyone with free time can grind.

REALLY folks, if you are a "good player" or a "hardcore pvper" then why do you need the training wheels? When are you going to be able to ride your bike like a big boy?

They would have to do some kind of bolstering system in warzones and world pvp for level 50s. You could make expertise a base stat for max level players so everyone has the same amount...

You will still have the same problem. Six months down the road you haven't had any gear progression at all since you are a die hard PVPer. The person who has been raiding has better gear than you, does more damage, has more health, more crit etc.

I agree on this, because when you have gear vs gear, it just becomes "who has the highest numbers wins", nothing more, if you're both fairly skilled.

What you want is a fighting game or an FPS. I don't see why you don't just go play one. It's EXACTLY what you want. You can even get the online play. With FPS you can play with multiple people at the same time. You should try it out!

can i has my ranked WZ and arenas so i can fight people with the same gear instead reading this?

ah and dont forget the cheezburger

Still eagerly awaiting some sort of response to my post on page 2 showcasing the DR on Expertise, and how it's only insurmountable if you consider it hopeless.

An athlete does not "grind for hours" to get the gear they need. They 'grind for hours' to (shockingly) get *BETTER AT THEIR EVENT*.

For example - they might practice "passing the baton" (apparently they do)... and then, oddly, they would hopefully get better at passing the baton.

In SWTOR terms - by playing PvP they would actually gain skill in playing PvP and become better players?

Alternatively they could get some "gear" (or drugs as we call them) and win that way .