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A Dark Jedi question


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Romick
01.25.2012 , 11:39 PM | #21
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-What, he's just machine, kill him like a man, we're the good guys, remember? Btw, kill emperor too, cuz we jedi don't like him.
Imo Jedi are evil plague
How on earth is wanting to kill two of the most evil beings in the galaxy who have murdered countless innocent people, evil?

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bliapis
01.26.2012 , 12:22 AM | #22
There is the Light Side and the Dark Side. Then there are factions. The good is represented by the Jedi counsil and the "Grey" Jedis (probably other faction i forget ofc) and the bad is the Fallen Jedis, forming either the Sith or Legions of Lettow or a number of other Dark Side factions.
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puzzlemaniak
01.26.2012 , 06:22 AM | #23
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How on earth is wanting to kill two of the most evil beings in the galaxy who have murdered countless innocent people, evil?
I don't believe in 'end justifies means' rule, and certainly murder is murder, regardless of killing innocent or villain, and killing own family when there's chance to redeem them looks harsh. Best part was actually Mace Windu who wanted to kill Palpatine without proper judgement. Dunno about you, but serving capital punishment just like that is kinda steep considering jedi strive (or they claim they do) to keep democracy intact, even if it's as corrupted as they thought, but that's different story, plot in new episodes is just so inconsistent it hurts, I mean, whole Jedi Council couldn't feel Sith Lord when he was fooling around constantly trying to confuse old Skywalker, how cheap is that?

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Hawksworth
01.26.2012 , 03:41 PM | #24
I think a lot of the confusion stems from somewhat confused roots. During the original films there was no such thing as Sith per se. The emperor was just a user of dark force powers therefore evil and he corrupted Anakin by making him tap into his fear/anger. As such "once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny".

In the kotor and swtor games however the whole Sith things seems more like a life choice that force wielders might choose as opposed to the Jedi. They are pretty much ideologically opposed factions in contrast to the films.

As for the Dark Jedi question, well a Jedi could tap into his rage and channel dark force powers which would ultimately corrupt him but he/she would not necessarily know anything of Sith teachings, it's just primal rage and emotion.

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georgemattson
01.26.2012 , 03:44 PM | #25
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I think a lot of the confusion stems from somewhat confused roots. During the original films there was no such thing as Sith per se. The emperor was just a user of dark force powers therefore evil and he corrupted Anakin by making him tap into his fear/anger. As such "once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny".
Umm... are you sure about that? I never got into the EU, so maybe my memories are conflicting with some retcons that Lucas has done since, but I very distinctly remember Darth Vader being referred to as a/the "Dark Lord of the Sith" back in 1977. I don't recall if he was referred to as the only one or just one of many, but I do remember that title.

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Warwulftwo
01.31.2012 , 06:28 PM | #26
I can't honestly imagine that the Jedi or the Republic would totally overlook a Dark Side user as a possible asset. Dark Jedi meaning has changed considerably from source to source, but I'm under the impression that in SWTOR a Dark Jedi is a Jedi whose motives and actions are of a more violent and self-serving nature, while still maintaining loyalty towards the Republic. While this may cause the Dark Jedi's moral code to clash with the Republic's, as they say 'It takes all kinds.' Playing as a Dark Guardian, I can say I don't feel like my actions are considered hidden from the Council, but treated as a necessary evil. A bloodthirsty ally still has his uses.

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Gantoris_Aym
01.31.2012 , 09:10 PM | #27
I thought Darth Vader and Sidious were technically Dark Jedi. The reason why is because Sith are a species, and although you can train non-Sith in the Dark Side you can't make them Sith. And if I'm not mistaken Sith was adopted by the Dark Jedi after the species was wiped out. But somehow they're back in SWTOR.

There needs to be a middle name for non-darkside and non-lightside

Wasn't Mace Windu trained in some darkside techniques?

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psychogobstopper
01.31.2012 , 09:28 PM | #28
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I thought Darth Vader and Sidious were technically Dark Jedi. The reason why is because Sith are a species, and although you can train non-Sith in the Dark Side you can't make them Sith. And if I'm not mistaken Sith was adopted by the Dark Jedi after the species was wiped out. But somehow they're back in SWTOR.
There's the Sith species, then there's the Sith Order (i.e. religion), and then there's the Sith Empire. The Dark Jedi exiled after the end of the Hundred-Year Darkness discovered Korriban, conquered the planet and the Sith species, and declared themselves to be the Dark Lords of the Sith. From there, they established the Sith Order and the Sith Empire. As such, following the Great Hyperspace War, "Sith" in the eyes of the majority of the galaxy referred more generally to followers of the Sith religion, not only the Sith species.

Darth Vader and Darth Sidious were members of Darth Bane's Order of the Sith Lords. They were not Dark Jedi, because to be a Dark Jedi means you are a Dark Side Force user who is not affiliated with the Sith religion and therefore not trained in Sith rituals and so on.

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There needs to be a middle name for non-darkside and non-lightside
The term "Gray Jedi" is sometimes applied to such people.

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Wasn't Mace Windu trained in some darkside techniques?
No, though his preferred lightsaber form did tread dangerously close to the Dark Side because it channeled an individual's enjoyment of combat.

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Toonimator
01.31.2012 , 11:36 PM | #29
Gray Jedi often rely on the light rather than dark, but don't stick to the Jedi Code and sometimes they make use of dark powers when they deem it necessary; someone earlier brought up the Imperial Knights, which are the Empire's order of Jedi during the Legacy Era 100+ years after the Saga. They follow the light and abhor falling to the dark side, but they're not as strict about their interpretation of what's light/dark as the Jedi Order; this, and their allegiance to the Emperor first and the Force second, makes the Jedi Order regard them as Gray Jedi. They even have a rule in place where if the Emperor/Empress falls to the dark side, it's their duty to try to return them to the light, or kill them if that proves impossible. This was shown near the end of the LEGACY: War miniseries, when IK Antares Draco did his duty and killed Emperor Roan Fel after Fel succumbed to the dark side.

Darth Vader was referred to as a 'Dark Lord of the Sith' in the ANH novelization back in '76/'77. The Sith, however, were never mentioned in the original films at all, nor was the Emperor identified as a Dark Lord of the Sith until around the time of the prequels. I think Dark Empire only claimed he studied old Sith relics and whatnot... "Darth" was only revealed as a title as Episode I went into production and we found out about Darths Maul & Sidious. Prior to that, the Sith of the EU didn't sport a single Darth (Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, Marka Ragnos, etc). KOTOR in 2003 was the first appearance of pre-Bane Darths, I think, with Revan & Malak.

That's all just background info; everyone's already hit the main points about the differences between Dark Jedi and Sith, and that Dark Jedi aren't necessarily as evil as Sith tend to be.