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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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Touchbass
01.31.2012 , 08:19 PM | #471
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post

What you dont want me to roll for my offspec *kick*

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Found it! When you ask someone if you can roll on your offspec and they say no, no means no bro.

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Ethern
01.31.2012 , 08:24 PM | #472
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
I dont think that postīs who aim at provoking the other side, so that they might freak out and get banned is a sign of high quality.

It might be smart as in that way you can get rid of the valid arguments of the opposing side, but its still very low and equal to what you pro guys do all the time, closing your eyes and ears from factīs so that you dont need to argue with the other side at all.
I'm sorry but I can't label any doomsaying argument, raising a mere tool as a pandora box, as valid.

Rephrase your aguments, explaining how the LFG tool' implementation, even in its server wide only iteration will have detrimental effects on the game, and then we'll be able to judge of their validity.

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Touchbass
01.31.2012 , 08:26 PM | #473
Quote: Originally Posted by Neiloch View Post
The argument isn't - "oh I get bad groups now and LFd will provide better ones."
It's - "I get nearly ZERO groups now and LFD will provide a chance in hell at getting ANY."
It's kinda like joining the army, I know what I am getting myself into when I sign up for the X-LFD. No one would join the army if the death rate was 100% or even close to a risk that wasn't reasonable for the cause you're fighting. Similarly we all know the X-LFD can cause problems, we aren't children who have to be spoonfed reality. However we can make the conscious choice which is a better investment of our time, group with strangers quickly and dealing with a potential array of problems or hope other players are around that need the same content I do and willing to do it.

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RachelAnne
01.31.2012 , 08:34 PM | #474
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
The problem is you blatantly lie and distort the truth, it makes it very difficult to have a conversation when someone is doing that. When you tell a version of the events that don't concide with the reality of the situation you won't recieve a favourable response. You then have the audacity to be shocked when people call you out on it as if your farts don't stink.
There are enough people anti-LFD on these threads that aren't treated with the contempt you speak of.

I'm willing to move forward but the issue at hand is that the only viable solutions for certain servers is a X-LFD and mergers, no amount of tinkering can fix them besides mergers and X-LFD. The only issue with mergers is combining the different types of servers together and especially this early, isn't a very real solution.

That is why we are trying to get a global X-LFD with an internal server option. This really should be the goal of this thread from now on.
I dont lie at all, I state factīs. If you dont believe me, open your eyes - type "wow.forum" at google and read the posts there.
Many people have the problems of the LFD which I have been trying to show you, more than once.
You dont want to see them, because you are totally excited about somekind of tool, which you most likely didnt use that much at all, to understand its consequences.

I can only repeat myself here,

to improve the tool we have now is the way to go. To copy the wow tool isnt, as its having too many flawed features.


People should be able to choose with whom they want to play, which dungeon and how. I have no idea why you people dont want to compromise there and still demand the wow tool.

In the end such an improved tool would also give you your groups, but if it does then the chance of a fail group will be minimized and it will be a group of like minded players.

Just imagine that you come home, log in "tick the different boxes" and then get a group. It would be so much more fun than the wow tool, where you end up so often with people who are not like you and terrorise you by blackmailing you with the kick button if you dont do as they want.

Another option is, that such tools should be added at specific servers only - for instance at pvp and pve but not at RP. In that way you can have your wow tool but others that know how bad it is, can play at RP Servers.


But no, you ignore all these things...

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Touchbass
01.31.2012 , 08:35 PM | #475
Quote: Originally Posted by Ethern View Post
I'm sorry but I can't label any doomsaying argument, raising a mere tool as a pandora box, as valid.

Rephrase your aguments, explaining how the LFG tool' implementation, even in its server wide only iteration will have detrimental effects on the game, and then we'll be able to judge of their validity.
I've been asking the same questions for weeks and have tried to throw the gauntlet down.
Honestly If I get a real response void of conjecture, rhetoric or anecdotal evidence that can demonstrate that a X-LFD destroys communities I'd abandon my ideas in a heart beat. All I hear is the typical 'the proof is the pudding response", only thing is it's just customized differently.

Why would Blizzard expand it's functions to raids and other games start adopting it if it was such a bad tool that destroyed the communities?

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RachelAnne
01.31.2012 , 08:40 PM | #476
Quote: Originally Posted by Ethern View Post
I'm sorry but I can't label any doomsaying argument, raising a mere tool as a pandora box, as valid.

Rephrase your aguments, explaining how the LFG tool' implementation, even in its server wide only iteration will have detrimental effects on the game, and then we'll be able to judge of their validity.
Talking with your kind is like talking to a wall, there are enough valid arguments in this forum - just because you close your eyes and dont want to see them, doesnt make them disappear.


You glorify the wow tool, we see it critical and want to improve it. BW will know how to handle this.

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Touchbass
01.31.2012 , 08:45 PM | #477
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
People should be able to choose with whom they want to play, which dungeon and how. I have no idea why you people dont want to compromise there and still demand the wow tool.

In the end such an improved tool would also give you your groups, but if it does then the chance of a fail group will be minimized and it will be a group of like minded players.
We all want an improved tool, no one is saying it has to be identical to the WoW tool. I've stated my personal opinion that a cross server tool is probably needed but I've willing to wait and try out a server only tool first.

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RachelAnne
01.31.2012 , 08:46 PM | #478
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
Please allow me to repeat you.



Conclusion? Cocaine is one hell of a drug
Someone does come up with arguments, with another try to compromise and all you got are insults. I dont understand why calling me a "drug addict" is in any way helpfull but ok thats your way of doing it...

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Ethern
01.31.2012 , 08:50 PM | #479
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
Talking with your kind is like talking to a wall, there are enough valid arguments in this forum - just because you close your eyes and dont want to see them, doesnt make them disappear.


You glorify the wow tool, we see it critical and want to improve it. BW will know how to handle this.
My two options proposals, are far from implementing a LFD ala WOW 2.0. In that regard I don't know what you are reffering to.

Secondly, apart from the loss of accountability, I have seen zero valid arguments, only hyperboles and other exaggerations claiming that its implementation will destroy an entire online community.

Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
I've been asking the same questions for weeks and have tried to throw the gauntlet down.
Honestly If I get a real response void of conjecture, rhetoric or anecdotal evidence that can demonstrate that a X-LFD destroys communities I'd abandon my ideas in a heart beat. All I hear is the typical 'the proof is the pudding response", only thing is it's just customized differently.

Why would Blizzard expand it's functions to raids and other games start adopting it if it was such a bad tool that destroyed the communities?
Indeed. And what's funny is the fact that they think such arguments will convince the developers. I might shock some, but while they are humans and might makes mistakes, they are not idiot. I can assure you that any unfounded doomsaying message is swept away quickly by them.

For now, developers have one problem: players complain that they have difficulties to form groups at all or in good delays. They are looking for solutions - not for nonconstructive posts claiming that "X thing is bad because I say so."

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Touchbass
01.31.2012 , 08:51 PM | #480
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
Someone does come up with arguments, with another try to compromise and all you got are insults. I dont understand why calling me a "drug addict" is in any way helpfull but ok thats your way of doing it...
Alright, I refuse you converse with you anymore. I've demonstrated that you lie, and can give many more examples and yet you refuse to even admit you made a mistake. You don't play by the rules of logic and I will not converse with anyone who doesn't.