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Get Rid of XP for PvP


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JackalTurner
01.31.2012 , 05:47 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Blotter View Post
I don't really care how you play. WoW implemented it solely because it was becoming necessary to KEEP players that way.

But hey, I'll bite:

"Here's 300 hours worth of content and stories and quests, etc., but we're going to give all the best gear to people who stood in WZs while afk to snag easy XP to level to 50 in 1/3 of the time it took you to play through the main focus of the entire game. Why play the rest of the game? We don't really know. We pretty much just released this game to give MMO PvPers another opportunity to take over an MMO community with their whining."

Happy now? I don't even believe half of that, but you asked for it oh so politely.

And again: " most importantly being not having to run all the same quests over and over for alts"

ALTS. ALTS. Let me repeat: ALTS. What's wrong with everyone having to go through the game once?
Here is the problem with your suggestions. You are trying to force people to conform to your play style. The currest system allows for multiple play styles. Therefore, its better.

Yes, AFKers suck. But your suggestions screw over legitemate PVPers.

I mostly quest. Im not even a hardcore PVPer. I barely do it. And yet even I can see how silly your suggestions are.

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OmegaDagger
01.31.2012 , 05:48 PM | #42
I don't often post on the forums but i feel like I had to chime in on this one. I have read this entire thread several times now and I still see no real justification on why you think there shouldnt be xp, but I see at least one REALLY good reason why there should be (twinking). I am an MMO noob so I do not understand all the idiosyncratic aspects of these types of game. That beign said I in no way understand why the hell you care how other people level. Why do you care if I only level via space missions?

I can not count the ways you attack others for their "lack of logic" misusing terms like straw man, but you in no way make any attempt (whatsoever) to present a coherent argument on why you think pvp only shouldnt be a viable way to level your character. All you do is attack people for wanting to play "PEW PEW" lazer fights. New flash bro, thats what I want to do. I don't care, at all, about any star wars lore.... at all.... ever. All I want to do is hack people to death with a light sabre and playing pvp allows me to do that. So in what way does that affect you. Your entire outlook just seems childish. (and yes I am attacking you as a person)

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Blotter
01.31.2012 , 05:50 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by JackalTurner View Post
I love how you are completely ignoring what is opposed to you.

Yes, this WOULD happen, yes a lot of people would do it, and yes there are reasons to do it.
For one, its easier. Thats the ultimate reason for most people

Why level up to 50 and suddenly be forced to fight a thousand other people who are all geared and will basically steamroll you, when you can stay at 49 and steamroll everyone else?
And if you think a 49 wont steamroll a level 30 then you don't know what you are doing.

At 47 I am always, always, always top of the team, most damage, most kills, and often most objective points.
Why? Because I will always do more damage and have more skills than people half my level.

Loot at 50 doesn't seem as shiny when most of them look really stupid, and the bonus for getting them isn't really a bonus. Afterall, most of the people you will be facing already have them. You will always be at a disadvantage when you first hit 50. Most people dont like that, so they will stay at 49.
Thank you for using my topic as an oportunity to stroke your ego. Some people...confused people if you ask me...would skip out on the best gear for that reason...but so what if they did? It's usually a small minority of people who do that..a.nd with alts anyway...as opposed to a large minority of players who are now just PvPing their way past all the other content in the game and then complaining that there's nothing to do at 50. I'll take the former.

As for "most of the people you will be facing will already have them"...I think you reveal what the probelm is. YOU think this way. See, in my mind, you get to 50, get pwned while trying to get the gear so you can play on an equal footing with the best of the best...not so you can have a "BONUS" that let's your faceroll the keyboard to "pwn newbz." As I've said...I love PvP and I love competition...so assuming this is a "let me twink better" thread is ridiculous. I don't even come close to understanding the mentality behind twinking in the first place. You can't claim you're "the best" or "a PvP beast" if you're level 49. People will laugh at you.
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Gibbzter
01.31.2012 , 05:50 PM | #44
It's obvious as hell he's in his upper 40's getting ready to ding 50 soon and loving having 20+ skill points on most players. Don't like even playing fields do ya?

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Liberate
01.31.2012 , 05:52 PM | #45
So more people will quit when they realize they're continually doing the SAME side quests OVER and OVER when leveling a new toon?

They nerfed warzone exp once, it isn't even viable once you're in the higher levels. Another one of their great 'metrics' analysis
Liberate

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Blotter
01.31.2012 , 05:52 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by JackalTurner View Post
Here is the problem with your suggestions. You are trying to force people to conform to your play style. The currest system allows for multiple play styles. Therefore, its better.
1. Not true. My responses to legitimate points have been to tweak my position to incorpoerate them.

2. Mutliple play styles is a laudable goal, but not when it introduces additional problems. I purposefully made the thread topic the extreme suggestion of getting rid of all XP for PvP to spark discussion, but the solution, admittedly, probably lies somewhere in the middle.
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Kalstang
01.31.2012 , 05:52 PM | #47
There is only one real reason to not want xp in pvp. That reason being that you want to stay at the top lvl in a particular bracket and twink out. Yeah yeah I know you said that isn't what you want. But I call BS. There is no other reason to stay in the lower brackets.

By staying in the lower brackets and twinking out every time a new player comes along that isn't twinked out you mow em down and then laugh at em. (the word "you" is being used generally here)

I seen this happen lots in WoW when they didn't have xp gain in pvp BGs. It makes for a crappy experiance for new players.

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SuperomegaOP
01.31.2012 , 05:53 PM | #48
hell no... I love leveling my alt through PvP... Doing side quests again are a no no... Id never have more than 2 50s

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JackalTurner
01.31.2012 , 05:54 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Blotter View Post
Thank you for using my topic as an oportunity to stroke your ego.
Yup, you're a troll. Just confirmed it.

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Blotter
01.31.2012 , 05:56 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Gibbzter View Post
It's obvious as hell he's in his upper 40's getting ready to ding 50 soon and loving having 20+ skill points on most players. Don't like even playing fields do ya?
Nope. My one toon so far is 35 and I'm just about to finish Act I when I get home from work cuz I've been playing it slow. I've done a bit of PvP and can't wait to do more...and altho I am avoiding it a little so I don't rapid-level too much, that's not what's motivated me to post the thread. What really motivated me is that from frequentling the forums (while pretending to be busy at work of course), I've noticed that a LOT of the complaints come back to...among other things related to XP in PvP...it being way too easy to powerlevel via PvP, PvP gear for some reason being better than anything else even raid gear, and people skipping a lot of the game's content via PvP powerleveling. I'm not married to the idea of getting rid of the XP for PvP...that was just he conversation grenade.
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