Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

Perhaps the JK should have spoken up before the run and let everyone know they could use the drop from the flashpoint? Communication is key there, not any ones fault they didn't speak up, except the JK's.

So not only are you trying to tell us how to play, but now you want to tell us what our points are.

Any chance you want to come to my house and type them up for me?

So let me make sure I understand your latest position: you're saying that we don't mean what we're saying? You're saying that we're lying? Because we've told you that we're rolling for companions (among other things), and now you're saying that we aren't telling you the truth? How do you know this? Do you have a telepathy we're unaware of? If so, I'm sure there are several governments in the world who'd love to put you in their employ... after a few years in a laboratory, that is.

So let's put your assertions to the test: name a few MMOs that have companions who can be equipped using the same gear players are wearing. Name a few MMOs that have fully-upgradeable pieces of gear such that you could put on a piece at 5th level and still be wearing it at the level cap with level-appropriate modifications in it.

Need Before Greed isn't new, no. Its applications due to this game's specifics, however, most certainly are. Need Before Greed is simple: if you need it, you roll need. If you're going to sell it, you roll greed.

But it's folks like you who've wanted to complicate it further by trying to determine for other players whether they're "correct" in rolling Need on something that's caused this particular discussion to erupt.

That's not the original point.

The point is, when you're in a group where someone else has a different idea on how the loot should be rolled, you need to make a choice. Which of these is more important to you, getting the group content completed or being allowed to do whatever you want with loot rolls? Sometimes you have to either make that choice or take some time to find another group.

Take the DoDo for example. It had a beak, it had eyes, it had wings. It was a bird. But could it be taught to fly? No Sir.

It went extinct.

Your group and your dictatorship or another group.. Hmm.. Easy choice.. Enjoy your run.

People already did it. Individuals that I've meet followed usual rule that Need is for character. Some of them asked if they can need for a companion and another pattern is I've noticed was that the most of people doesn't mind taking need as long as it is not done over another player's character need. Others simply take greed and gear companion if they win usual roll. That's what I see in groups where social contract is considered to be standard procedure.

They have their right to do so and it's not without solid ground. Even if they lessen chances for some drop they make it bigger in another area. Benefit to the group and to the character is true. There are also socially acceptable modifications of the current system (as asking if you can take for a companion). System is not flawed.

There's no 'threat' unless it's perceived as one.

The simple truth is, if something in game is openly considered ‘courteous play’ and a player chooses not to abide by it, they run the risk of being set on ignore.

For some people, it’s not a big deal. For other’s who rely on PuG play, it’s their only means of running group content.

Ultimately, if I don’t like something someone’s saying or doing in an MMO, the /ignore function is way easier to use than getting into an online ethical debate.

I could care less for the person’s excuses or justification.

Someone ‘accidentally’ keeps rolling need…… /ignore

Someone likes to use trade chat to run flashpoints……. /ignore

Someone takes the 0.01% chance that my female characters are played by an actual female and starts hitting on me…… /ignore

Funny thing is, the more people I set on ignore, the better the community seems to be.

There's no threat here. I've been doing this in MMOs for years. It keep petty squabbling down and my entertainment up.

What are you blathering on about? I said you weren't purely talking about companions, you rant about "lying", and then say you've told me you're rolling for companions (among other things)? Is what I said untrue in some way? Are you arguing that no one should roll need except for players or their companions? Was the rest of the drivel necessary?

Never said that either companions or fully-upgradeable pieces were in other games. Cosmetic items? Yep. Mods/enhancements? Yep. Credits/currency? Yep. Vendoring? Yep. Reverse engineering? Yep. Alts? Yep. Any other subjective "I need this" reason? Yep.

Pardon me, but it's MMO communities that established the NBG standards and what rolls are "correct", not me. You would know this, you've been playing since M5.

Play how you want. People will react how they react.

I have skimmed a several pages of thread. This does not seem to be about what is OK to need or not.

It seems to be about people to lazy to spend a little extra time looking for others of a like mind in which to group with in a MMO!!!! This is about "GO GO GO lootz plz my way". We also have the "any one who disagrees with me is immoral/restrictive" mixed with "BW please facilitate my style of play over any one else".

I can see both sides of the argument and both have made valid points concerning their style of play and what they want. While I am more of a traditionalist when it comes to loot, I am not going to tell any one what to do.

The orange mod-able/companion system is a bit different. For some it adds customization options for them and their companions. Great, what ever blows your skirt up. Find others who agree and play with them.

Personally I subscribe to the method of discuss/ask about loot distribution with the group. Maybe find or create a guild that shares your views? If you do not agree then move on. In this I make sure the occasional pugs I group with understand what I am looking for. If my conditions are not met I tip my hat and move on. If you simply do not have the time to actually communicate with other players, in order to maximize your enjoyment of the game, there is nothing that can be done for you. No amount of "fixing" will ever be enough.

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