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Just dinged 50. Gear... um... wow.

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Just dinged 50. Gear... um... wow.

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drkieros
01.31.2012 , 03:14 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by pinealogik View Post
Please stop talking.
He's right you know. When I solo queue I get some groups that are full of pvp gear people like me, some that are mixed, and some where I'm the only one with expertise. Same goes for the opposite team. It tends to be less spread out when I am facing Republic on my server just because of the population ratio. Our pubs had instant queue times for a couple of weeks, and all the hardcore pvpers are in full champ/battlemaster gear.

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Sogar
01.31.2012 , 03:22 PM | #202
To be honest, I was able to be competitive as soon as I got 50 and was already one of the top of my side for medals/protection and even damage sometimes. There are two reasons for that :
1/ Tanks don't need gear to get medals (the tank ones and the damage ones are easy to get ... granted the 2.5k hit was a bit harder)
2/ Tanks survivability depends more on correct use of their CDs than their gear ... and that is still true for most of the classes with positioning being an obvious factor too.

That does not mean that gear is irrevelant and has no impact since it clearly has (on your damage/healing output mainly and your survivability a bit less) but you still bring about the same utility.
Playing together with your team and not getting cocky has incredible results.
Even if my build let me handle most of my ennemies 1v1 (even as I'm undergeared) I'd rather not because I've learned to understand that I've better things to do to help my team win.

Basically, most DPS/bursters class need gear to be good so just change your spec to be less gear dependant and have utility to bring on the table. Numbers aren't the sole thing that you can bring and that is mostly where you are gimped.

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ViperI
01.31.2012 , 03:23 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by pinealogik View Post
/facepalm

I don't expect to *** roll face when I ding 50, I expect to have fun. Right now, it isn't fun, at all.

PvP from 10-49 was awesome. PvP at 50 is tedious, boring and broken. From 10-49, they had a wonderful mechanic for Warzone, you could get your gear by either PvE or PvP and mod them whoever you want too, jump in warzone and just have some good old PvP Fun.

Right now, you hit 50 and BAM! a completely different game, different mechanic and quite honestly it's *********** retarded.
The mechanics of the warzones are no different than pre-50. The difference is really that you got used to being at the top of the ladder when you were in the late 40's to now you're at the bottom of the new ladder as an undergeared 50. You act as if sub-50 warzones are so wonderful, well, maybe they are for a level 49 but they're just as tedious for a level 10 as you are finding them to be now that you're 50. Remember, you all asked for this when you whined about not having a level 50 bracket. You made you bed, now lie in it.
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WookieBob
01.31.2012 , 03:28 PM | #204
I recently made it to the evil 50's only bracket and did alright :P

main thing on my server is that the one's in the 50's bracket are the one's with more experiance in warzones, they focus fire, they heal, they guard, they work together and the better ones entered the 50's bracket with close to 49 valor.

saw a guy with valor 10 enter .... he didn't do so well :P
seen level 45's with valor 3 enter 10-49..guess what they didn't do so well either...
Dammit Jim, I'm a Sith Lord not a doctor!

Khem Val approved!

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RealAeiouy
01.31.2012 , 03:30 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by IlexGlabra View Post
The problem with that is the Level 10 can go level in PvE if he doesn't like it. Is there a PvE route to Battlemaster?
If you don't like pvp endgame don't pvp. People keep acting like everyone on the other side is always a battle master. That is the foundation of most of these complaints which is absurd.

Warzones are a team sport, learn to be a team player.
I put the AssAssIn assassin.

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sfryman
01.31.2012 , 03:32 PM | #206
A lot of MMOs struggle with balancing gear. The going strat for MMOs on keeping subs depends on having a "carrot" to keep those players who play the game for virtual gear to keep playing. I personally think it's stupid, and I'd rather play on a level field, but I appear to be in the minority on this.

Swtor seems to have a worse than average gear discrepancy out the gate. A new 50 gets easily stomped by champion geared players. The devs likely know this by now, but it's too late to do anything about it, at least until the next major content patch. That's at least how wow dealed with it, every patch increases 5-10 levels, and gear gets reset. And he cycle repeats...

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RealAeiouy
01.31.2012 , 03:33 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by hurja View Post
in wow you know how long it's gonna take to accumulate the amount of points you need for the piece you want. it's all out in the open.

here it is a lottery from the first piece to the last with no forward planning possible apart from 1000/1000 while leveling.
Lol advanced planning
I put the AssAssIn assassin.

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Blackpool
01.31.2012 , 03:35 PM | #208
MMO Capitalism, you get what you put in.

I leveled my toon via Warzones, so I had high valor when hitting 50. I leveled quick and I hold a great full time job and extra-curricular activities.

So why does someone who casually leveled up, and didn't pvp as much as me, expect to be as geared or as competitive out of the box as me? I made game-life choices to be in this position and so can any player.

You have to work for what you want.
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RealAeiouy
01.31.2012 , 03:36 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Tooslick View Post
That's nonsense. Gearing up in WoW does not takes weeks. As I and others have already pointed out, you can pretty much gear up in an AV weekend.

You can gear up running PVE heroics (convert justice points to honor, valor to conquest)
by running PVE Raids
by running regular BG's
by running Arena's
by running ranked BG's
by running Tol Barad bosses
by crafting or buying crafted loot

The options to gear up for PVP in WoW runs circles around ToR.

THERE IS NO COMPARISON

You can't gear up in a weekend that is silly. For the typical player it takes as long in wow as here
I put the AssAssIn assassin.

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BDutch
01.31.2012 , 03:37 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by ViperI View Post
The mechanics of the warzones are no different than pre-50. The difference is really that you got used to being at the top of the ladder when you were in the late 40's to now you're at the bottom of the new ladder as an undergeared 50. You act as if sub-50 warzones are so wonderful, well, maybe they are for a level 49 but they're just as tedious for a level 10 as you are finding them to be now that you're 50. Remember, you all asked for this when you whined about not having a level 50 bracket. You made you bed, now lie in it.
The only time I see someone mentioning about how imba 10-49 is is when someone that likes the 50 bracket is trying to use it as an example. If the people actually in that bracket agreed then you would see more posts about that, and less about this. The only complaints to address regarding the lower bracket are from the people not wanting to leave it.

It could have something to do with the bolstering system, lack of expertise, a soft cap on gear inflation, or the ability to simply do solo PvE if you want to power up before you try again. Whatever the reason is, let the level 10s complain for themselves. *crickets*
Originally Posted by Puja
The sentinel PVP armor is PINK and POOP colored with golden ******* and a clown helmet my brain is not able to make any sense out of. Then some sort of giant bug from the Jetsons has attached itself to the left shoulder.