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The Operative Nerf

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The Operative Nerf

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Karandor
01.31.2012 , 12:28 PM | #141
the 4s stun will fill the resolve bar, also many abilities can be done while standing up (defensive CDs and stuff that doesn't require animations) so you take a chance if you wait for the stun.

Assassins know this because of dealing with spike, you're best to use spike, 1 ability then stun immediately or they will be able to use something defensive to mess with you.

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Killomend
01.31.2012 , 12:36 PM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by Lerdoc View Post
Or break the stun after they use 2nd one(because they will instead of stabbing you for another 3k) which will leave operative with stun on CD and us with some HP to actually fight back.
Well, then Operative will just have to get you noobs to use cc break on flashbang wont we?

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SneiK
01.31.2012 , 12:36 PM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by Loey View Post
Nope...we cant counter a opener with that amouth of dmg and stun.

Thats the main subject here.

And *** are you talking about " a team" ? So i must join a party to fight a operative? Are they some kind of world boss now?

Seriously:

1)You can come invisible at your enemy.

2) Stun lock him for about 6 or 7 seconds.

3) While you deliver about 10k chain dmg.

4) And while you can finish him from distance with good 3 ~4k dmg.

5) And finally, if everything goes bad you can still vanish from the battle....and dont say " oh, you just need to dot them" cause gunslingers, just to point one class" got one dot with their main trait line.

Btw, the nerf should affect only pvp...pve should remain the same.

Ok lemme break it down for ya:

1) You can come invisible at AN enemy.

2) He stunlocks AN enemy.

3) 10k to AN enemy. (few GCD? 10k? really? that's not so bad, I do that in 3-4.5 secs and I don't need stealth.)

4) How did he gain distance? Game has dozen of snares, roots and stuns.

5) Vanish is a problem in wpvp. Warzones it means you failed, you can be scanned to death or at the very least your team will die. Good operatives use it offensively to get extra dmg NOT to try running away the tail between their legs.

So I say it again. Don't take 8v8 and make it 1v1. If your team does nothin' well then it's your teams fault. Yes, operatives will sometimes catch some people off guard 1v1 but that doesn't make them op if they're strong in that ONE particular case.

But yes, nerfing PvE because of broken PvP mechanics is dumb.

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Nowyourdead
01.31.2012 , 12:38 PM | #144
LOL I wish I could do a 3.5k hit let alone a 10k hit - gotta love the imagination.

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Killomend
01.31.2012 , 12:40 PM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by Loey View Post
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Btw, the nerf should affect only pvp...pve should remain the same.
QFT Put Acid Blade back at 50% armor break. Need that for pve

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BDutch
01.31.2012 , 12:51 PM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by SneiK View Post
5) Vanish is a problem in wpvp. Warzones it means you failed, you can be scanned to death or at the very least your team will die. Good operatives use it offensively to get extra dmg NOT to try running away the tail between their legs.
eh.. evade/vanish cleansing dots/immuning to most aoe is a bit silly IMO. I would rather see it turned into allowing in-combat openers or something than have it be a frustrating basis for future nerfs.

You're right about the world pvp vs warzone/objective comparison, but stealth definitely has its own advantages in WZs. Standing safely on the other side of the pit in huttball waiting for a pass is one of my favorites. Even though world PvP obviously doesn't count for much in this game, evade/vanish does sort of make the best griefing class into an even better griefing machine.

There should be a better way to keep the combat effectiveness without the get-out-of-jail-free card.
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McVade
01.31.2012 , 12:53 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by Reenolols View Post
To all the qq'ers: You'll now be hit for around 1k less on the opener. You will however, be stunlocked for 7 seconds at a time. Enjoy it. I find it hilarious.
It's okay - I still hit Guarded by the Force (costs 50% of my life to reduce damage by 99% for 5 seconds) out of reflex the split second an Operative gets on me. It was a good idea, as I usually preferred to have 30ish% life over 0% and put up a token resistance before dying.

It's gonna take me awhile to break that habit, so take advantage!
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Amonet
01.31.2012 , 01:14 PM | #148
holy **** will these mouthbreathers not rest until OPs are completely erased from the game? They nerfed our burst AND sustained dmg by 20% and now they want to nerf our stun capabilities as well? Why not just remove our abilitiy to wield weapons, or wear armor? Nerfing our burst was one thing, but to remove our only control abilities would basically eliminate the class from PvP entirely.

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Torcer
01.31.2012 , 01:21 PM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by Amonet View Post
holy **** will these mouthbreathers not rest until OPs are completely erased from the game? They nerfed our burst AND sustained dmg by 20% and now they want to nerf our stun capabilities as well? Why not just remove our abilitiy to wield weapons, or wear armor? Nerfing our burst was one thing, but to remove our only control abilities would basically eliminate the class from PvP entirely.
Learn2Play.

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Amonet
01.31.2012 , 01:25 PM | #150
Quote: Originally Posted by Torcer View Post
Learn2Play.

Karma is a *****, ain't it?
says the tracer spamming monkey. Good retort sir, i applaud you.