The Operative Nerf

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The Operative Nerf

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Laikacosmo

01.31.2012 , 10:45 AM \| #61	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos Actually, they need to reduce the crit chance mechanic for the two classes. ^-*tenchars*--

Jest

01.31.2012 , 10:45 AM \| #62	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos Actually, they need to reduce the crit chance mechanic for the two classes. Stims or not, Operatives/Scoundrels crit all the time. Think about YOUR CLASS. Regardless of what it is, think about how hard you hit when you actually get a decent crit. Well, Ops/scoundrels crit like that ALL THE TIME! This could be the issue but I think Crit rate would need to be addressed across the board. That and the fact that Surge becomes ridiculously powerful at high (gear) levels. The difference between a Scoundrel/Op Crit rate vs say a Jugg/Guard or Sorc/Sage would be the gear stacks that stat more naturally. But the actual Value of Crit in terms of usefulness may be too high in the game overall.

zqsd

01.31.2012 , 10:45 AM \| #63	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Laikacosmo So... The only time you had a problem with them is if they are stupid, or if they were wailing on someone else? I get it... Tell me how they can know my CC breaker is up or not or tell me they can know i'm even here while i'm stealthed?

Ossos

01.31.2012 , 10:46 AM \| #64	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kholvan I get that a lot of PvPers care way too much about 1v1. Ops/Smugs certainly can be frustrating in that environment, but isn't that the point of the class? As far as I'm concerned, if you're stealthed, you're not capping objectives. You're also not killing me - apart from the opener. I know you can defend a bit from stealth, at least against one opponent. That doesn't seem overpowered. With all my heals off cooldown - and with a 5.5s delay at the start, they pretty much are - I can heal myself from 1% to full in 12 to 17 seconds, depending on your interrupts. Either my bubble was up and ate a chunk of your opener, or even better - I put it up after the stun is over and you have to get through it with your plinky non-opener DPS. I don't care that I can't kill you if you can't kill me. And there you go. If I can't kill you, I'll go kill someone else. Not sure what the issue is.
Preventing Hackers and Exploiters from ruining the game is not a priority. Preventing you from mentioning the fact that they exist and go unpunished is.

EternalFinality

01.31.2012 , 10:47 AM \| #65	Quote
Quote: Actually reacting in half a second is slow. You SHOULD be able to react in 0.03 seconds. It takes less than that time for the signal to get to your fingers. The reflexes of most people catching an object falling off the table are around that fast. So you're should be at least that fast. Actually, human reaction time is more like 400 ms. That's 0.4 seconds. You are not special. You cannot react in 0.03 seconds.

Silverspar

01.31.2012 , 10:48 AM \| #66	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Modjoconcarne The damage is still out of control ... 630 expertise and i still get hit for an average of 2k5 every 1.5 sec ... Eh? You realize most other classes hit that hard? Hell, I am a tank in PvP and I am just a little below that and I am not even in full PvP gear.

Modjoconcarne

01.31.2012 , 10:48 AM \| #67	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by zqsd Either you are trolling or there is something wrong in your template / gear / gameplay. The only problem i had with op was IF they opened me AND if i did'nt have my CC breaker on, which, even with ~650 expertise, was bringing me to 30% health at worst vs well geared operatives... If i got the jump on them i was destroying them, if i trinketed and used CC / defensive CD, i was destroying them. In all honesty i always thought that operatives had an opening burst pretty ridiculous wich needed some kind of nerf but, toe to toe, they are rather weak. The problem is that even when i survive the opener with my trinket i get a flashbang in the face then vanish reopen ... dead . I dont think im a bad player . I used to have 2k5 rating in wow so ithink i should be able to "do" something . I dont have an issue with losing a fight . I have an issue with the fact of not being able to do a thing . I got the opener 3 times on an operative today ... he "TANKED ME " and killed me 3 TIMES with NO opener !!! I was like *** !!! I imediatly checked my gear and everything ... i think i m gonna give up

Lascero

01.31.2012 , 10:49 AM \| #68	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality Actually, human reaction time is more like 400 ms. That's 0.4 seconds. That number is probably muddied by people who don't play reflex intensive games, and have no reflex training/adaptation.

Ossos

01.31.2012 , 10:50 AM \| #69	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Modjoconcarne The problem is that even when i survive the opener with my trinket i get a flashbang in the face then vanish reopen ... dead . I dont think im a bad player . I used to have 2k5 rating in wow so ithink i should be able to "do" something . I dont have an issue with losing a fight . I have an issue with the fact of not being able to do a thing . I got the opener 3 times on an operative today ... he "TANKED ME " and killed me 3 TIMES with NO opener !!! I was like *** !!! I imediatly checked my gear and everything ... i think i m gonna give up Sucker punch is free and spammable for 3 hits if the stars are aligned. The stars usually align in this manner if you're in an open/exposed fight. My sucker punches do 1.8K to 6k dmg.
Preventing Hackers and Exploiters from ruining the game is not a priority. Preventing you from mentioning the fact that they exist and go unpunished is.

Valsdad

01.31.2012 , 10:50 AM \| #70	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Modjoconcarne The problem is that even when i survive the opener with my trinket i get a flashbang in the face then vanish reopen ... dead . I dont think im a bad player . I used to have 2k5 rating in wow so ithink i should be able to "do" something . I dont have an issue with losing a fight . I have an issue with the fact of not being able to do a thing . I got the opener 3 times on an operative today ... he "TANKED ME " and killed me 3 TIMES with NO opener !!! I was like *** !!! I imediatly checked my gear and everything ... i think i m gonna give up An operative can't "tank" anything. Scoundrel/Op is probably the squishiest class in the game.
Overtrebel, a right and proper scoundrel

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