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The Operative Nerf

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The Operative Nerf

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NrOneHero
01.31.2012 , 10:29 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos View Post
Actually it's 6 seconds.

1.5 for the opener.

1.5 for a dirty kick IF THE TARGET USES A CC BREAKER IMMEDIATELY

3 seconds Flash Grenade (Flash Grenade stun will not break in less than 3 seconds regardless of damage applied.

That's 4 GCDs that I get. I garantee that you won't survive it. If you try and run, stun me, whatever. You can no longer escape thanks your your half full resolve bar.

LOL!!


You seem to be happy about this!? You dont care about balance? You want free kills without a challenge whatsoever? Are you one of those people that only can enjoy playing a overpowered class? Laughing at others while you are OP and crying like a little baby if they would actually balance your class (making you realize that it wasnt actually your skill that killed people but rather your class lol)?

Judging from what you are saying you are EXACTLY such a player.

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VertisReaper
01.31.2012 , 10:30 AM | #42
So... basically back to trinketing KS's just like in WoW? haha, u butthurt? I love these operative fixes, can't wait to go home and slap them around like nothing.

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Laikacosmo
01.31.2012 , 10:30 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos View Post
...did I mention my other CCs, roots, range attacks, dots, and my ability to Vanish?

LOL..you're all still free kills. Just more so.
How come when everyone thought that the stun filled resolve, you were absolutely helpless after your opener, and could be kited into oblivion?

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Ossos
01.31.2012 , 10:32 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by NrOneHero View Post
You seem to be happy about this!? You dont care about balance? You want free kills without a challenge whatsoever? Are you one of those people that only can enjoy playing a overpowered class? Laughing at others while you are OP and crying like a little baby if they would actually balance your class (making you realize that it wasnt actually your skill that killed people but rather your class lol)?

Judging from what you are saying you are EXACTLY such a player.

See, you're assuming that I am crying and/or happy about being OP'd. Actually, it's niether. I'm laughingly frustrated at all of it.

This has been a failed nerf. The patch has resulted in a buff. So now, there's only going to be more forum spam. There are going to be more rages in general and guild chat. More guildies are going to da|\/|N their ops/scoundrel guild mates REGARDLESS of how good their guildmates actually are.

Ultimately, I believe that Scoundrels/Operatives will be nerfed appropriately. However, I don't have confidence that balance will be the result. Given how poorly the fix was made during this patch, it is VERY likely that the classes (Ops/Scoundrels) will be nerfed to broken in the near future.

ALL THE WHILE players spam on the forums and in chat "QQ MORE WE LOVE YOUR TEARS OF YOUR BROKEN CLASS!!!" All the while, there are people who simply liked the mechanics of the stealth classes and were able to add/contribute to their side in a manner that fit them.

Ops/Scoundrels need to be balanced. This patch made it worse. Forums and chat will get worse. Ultimately, Ops/scoundrels will end up broken and less than functional.

...this is why it's all frustratingly laughable.
Preventing Hackers and Exploiters from ruining the game is not a priority. Preventing you from mentioning the fact that they exist and go unpunished is.

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zqsd
01.31.2012 , 10:32 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos View Post
I'm sure you press your CC breaker the SECOND you are stunned. In the game, as mechanics go, it comes out to about 1 GCD of free damage (non-returned hit) for the operative/scoundrel.

Thus...1.5 seconds. It doesn't matter how fast YOU ARE the game you're playing doesn't react that fast.

Don't mind me though, you'll experience it today.
Oh yes i press the CC break the second i'm stunned, i can even say in 0.5s w/o a doubt, maybe you should play something else than MMOs to gain better reflexes.

I don't know if the best part in your topic is you trying to convince yourself that triple nerf on your opener is a buff because you gained half a resolve bar (rofl) or you showing you are an awful pvper, mistaking stuns and mez or taking 1 second and a half to break a CC.

Ahah, you made my day.

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Modjoconcarne
01.31.2012 , 10:32 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Kholvan View Post
I think you assume people were upset with your stun. Maybe some were, but my issue was with you taking people to 25% health before they stood up. As long as the burst is reduced enough that this doesn't happen in the 5.5 seconds of stun, that's fine with me.

I don't mind you being able to CC - everyone else can, after all.
I see almost no difference in burst ... i die in less than 10 sec and i play guardian (battlemaster gear) ... i m seriously considering going back to wow

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Silverspar
01.31.2012 , 10:34 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Ossos View Post
Actually it's 6 seconds.

1.5 for the opener.

1.5 for a dirty kick IF THE TARGET USES A CC BREAKER IMMEDIATELY

3 seconds Flash Grenade (Flash Grenade stun will not break in less than 3 seconds regardless of damage applied.

That's 4 GCDs that I get. I garantee that you won't survive it. If you try and run, stun me, whatever. You can no longer escape thanks your your half full resolve bar.

LOL!!
LOL

You may learn that i's a bad idea to fill someone's resolve bar that quickly, but hey, keep on keepin on with that pipe dream of your's.

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Lazorous
01.31.2012 , 10:34 AM | #48
Assuming we're talking about WZ, where it's not often 1v1, I personally don't see this as a huge problem. Whenever I see an OP opening on a friendly, I taunt them, and/or guard my friendly, thereby decreasing the incoming dmg.


Now in world pvp 1v1, that I have no idea.

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Jest
01.31.2012 , 10:34 AM | #49
There's definitely a difference in burst but they are by no means helpless as many claimed they would be before the nerf.

Also, OPs can still use their backstab-like ability without being behind you.

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Ossos
01.31.2012 , 10:35 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Laikacosmo View Post
How come when everyone thought that the stun filled resolve, you were absolutely helpless after your opener, and could be kited into oblivion?
Because we could. Game mechanics such as the querky reslove bar that wasn't/isn't 100% reliable screwed players when they were getting laid into by Ops/Scoundrels. It wasn't the classes that were attacking them.

So, all things working properly, it was entirely possible. I've had it done to me.

Now, there's no way that's happening. Resolve, even if it's working and you're johnny on the spot, the game mechanics have aligned against you.
Preventing Hackers and Exploiters from ruining the game is not a priority. Preventing you from mentioning the fact that they exist and go unpunished is.