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gunslinger and sniper class fail..

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gunslinger and sniper class fail..

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LimbSlicer
01.31.2012 , 09:39 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by stephenjohnp View Post
I do not know what you are complaining about. Operatives/Scoundrels are now THE WORST class in the game and are completely un-viable for any situation.
^this

Be glad you picked sniper. As your other choice operative just got broke @ 50. Even if you do have mobility issues in pvp once you get gear you will hit like a truck. Also sniper is very viable for PVE as you mentioned.

I do agree sniper seems to have issues fighting sorc's and merc's in pvp but what class does not. They should of buffed other classes to compete with the kings of pvp and PVE classes.

If you wanted to do great in pvp you should of rolled a sorc/merc like EVERYONE else.

Yes operatives could used of some toning down but not blind nerf's. I for see hearing "sorry group is full" a lot now or no response at all. While being a kite on a string in pvp, hitting like a wet noodle.

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dcgregorya
01.31.2012 , 09:48 AM | #12
A healing debuff would be great. Personally, I think mercenaries and commandos in the full DPS spec will get nerfed. That being said, the closer I get to full BM/Rakata gear the more I see that gunslinger scales with gear a lot more than sorcerors and mercenaries do. Our rotations are much more bursty and with high damage, high crit and most importantly, high enough hitpoints to withstand the initial tracer spam flood - you can and will absolutely own mercs and sorcs.

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il-jumper
01.31.2012 , 09:49 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Chromiie View Post
I don't pvp much but I have read that Snipers are pretty damn OP if you check out the 500k damage thread on the pvp forums there are a lot snipers I believe. I could be wrong.


Yea if you count sitting in a corner doing 1k damage per gcd while getting deflected all time having ZERO objective score and contirubting to nothing!

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dcgregorya
01.31.2012 , 09:51 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by il-jumper View Post
Yea if you count sitting in a corner doing 1k damage per gcd while getting deflected all time having ZERO objective score and contirubting to nothing!
Nah this goes away. You need to understand that, the difference between a level 11 in warzones and a level 49 in warzones is *LESS* than the difference between an ungeared 50 and a fully high end geared 50. It's really quite surprising exactly HOW much difference there is but the more epic gear you get the more absolutely devasting your DPS becomes.

EDITED TO ADD:
My damage personally has gone up over 30% since I've been gearing and my HP by 20%. If you think expertise is a big deal that's only part of the equation.

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miliways
01.31.2012 , 09:53 AM | #15
If you think Sniper/Gunslinger is kinda weak, you should see Marauder/Sentinel. We have all the drawbacks you do and far more. At least you have ranged attacks so you do very good damage and you can't be kited as easily.

Seems the 2 pure DPS roles in this game got kinda ignored.

In theory, since all we can do is DPS, we should be the best DPS.

But instead they felt that all classes should just be balanced. There's not much of an incentive to go sniper over operative. Operative gets stealth and healing and most of what sniper gets.

Sorcs and Mercs seem a little OP right now, they could probably use a nerf.

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Elyons
01.31.2012 , 09:55 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Damidos View Post
gun slinger and sniper, need something im just not sure what.

sith sorcerer and mercenary and their counterparts, can do everything a sniper can do dps wise, with out the mobility issue, and they have the option to heal.. how is that fair.

I love the cover system but lets be real its more of a draw back in pvp than it is a benefit. snipers and gun slinger are the only unique never before seen in mmo history class this game has. They need love.

Im not sure what can be done. perhaps give their aimed shot a range of 40 dare i say 45 or more cc/ debuffs.

can any one defend these classes as not being gimped in pvp?
does any one see alot of them in the level 50 bracket?
does any one have any suggestions to fix them?

No, we do not shine in PvP. But we are capable.


I would suggest this thread for Gunslinger PvP strats. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=219738
Unlike most classes, we actually require a different strategy for every single class - hope it helps
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Desgarden
01.31.2012 , 10:07 AM | #17
It is amusing how sub 50s and non-snipers come in and tell other people to l2p.

Anyway, I will try to make it short. Good threads are in the sniper forum for those who are really interested.

1. Marksman
Their attacks have to go through EVERY defense available before damage is calculated, that is, if it hits at all and doesn't get e.g. deflected. Other rdps classes do not have this problem like sorcs or BHs (BHs only with very few attacks)

Hitting a heavy armour target or even a tank is a bad joke.

And bear in mind: the better the gear, the higher the armour rating, the worse marksman gets. Great game design


2. Lethality
A healer can kill with 1 dispel, which is baseline, the 31 point talent, the tier 3 and 4 talent of that tree making the dps output laughable. Note: the dispel has even a shorter cd

3. Cover
The only good thing about cover is that you cannot be charged and, if entrenched, makes you immune vs cc (however, this can easily be avoided). Too bad that portable cover only protects against a handful of standard attack which you hardly ever see in pvp and natural cover is hard to find. And that's the class' frikkin MAIN mechanic

There is even more but I said I keep it short.

Summa summarum: the class is not broken. However, the class is in really deep water if you compare it to sorcs or mercs. Why? Simply because these classes do not have restrictions the sniper class has and can do everything a sniper can (even do better dps on heavy armour targets) while providing even better utility like healing.
Sith happens!

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Beansoup
01.31.2012 , 10:16 AM | #18
Yeah... I just unsubscribed. The class balance is utterly messed up and there's been no word on any efforts to fix it. Plus the technical issue (FPS) and the bugs all over the place PVE/PVP you name it. I'll play my 17 days trough, after all I paid for it. But I won't be back untill BW/EA gets their stuff together. I understand that MMORPG's have bugs and so forth (I played WoW from Vanilla to BC, they actually compensated the time loss due technicall difficulties unlike BW/EA) , But this game is a complite beta testing on my money compared to the competition on the market and I'm not the kind of p'ssy to drink sour milk.
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LordRaevin
01.31.2012 , 10:19 AM | #19
Our damage is fine. It's not OP it seems to be balanced compared to most other classes. However out survivablity sucks, it could use a little tweak here and there as the 100% dodge only works against other snipers and melee classes which is retarded.

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Narfwak
01.31.2012 , 10:21 AM | #20
I'm fine with my sniper for the most part. I just wish cover actually did anything to ranged attacks that aren't from other snipers, and that off-GCD instants that require cover actually worked without having to guess whether my current cover state is broken or not and if I need to pack up and move an inch or two, hammering my keys, to make the gosh darn thing register.

Snipers bring a stupid amount of utility to PvE for a pure DPS ranged class with high burst capability, and high ranged burst capability with good CC isn't exactly bad for PvP.