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Sai-to
01.31.2012 , 01:08 AM | #51
I see no problem with the OP's idea of having a "He-Man" or "Conan"-like outfit.


But there is a line to be drawn with male dancers. No offense to all you homosexuals out there, but you are in a minority. The majority of players would not want that. There's a reason there's a lot less male stripper clubs than there are female stripper clubs. And it's almost unheard of to have both in one club.

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Notsensible
01.31.2012 , 01:15 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Sai-to View Post
I see no problem with the OP's idea of having a "He-Man" or "Conan"-like outfit.


But there is a line to be drawn with male dancers. No offense to all you homosexuals out there, but you are in a minority. The majority of players would not want that. There's a reason there's a lot less male stripper clubs than there are female stripper clubs. And it's almost unheard of to have both in one club.
Two things come to mind.

1) Profiling purposes. Like jazz music in a bar redneck bar.
2) It wouldn't be fair because if a fat man were a better dancer, the more physically fit man will end up with the job.

Kudos to anyone who knows what I'm referring to lol. But yeah, in response to that part about why there's more female strip clubs, I think that has something to do with us men usually being more openly perverted lol.

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Hal_Narcowitz
01.31.2012 , 03:16 PM | #53
Here's the thing. The game itself is awesome. Are there things to work on story-wise? Sure.

Clearly there are less options for females in the game than males in terms of romance options. My wife has already noticed the pretty large discrepancy.

Hopefully bioware will work on this as the game develops.

For those who are so insecure in their own sexuality that they can't stomach male dancers in the game, all I have to say is "lol". If you don't think there's a large LGBT gamer community, you don't know much about the gaming community.

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Lord_of_Stone
01.31.2012 , 03:22 PM | #54
Who cares about armor skins. All I know is, the female characters in this game are powerful, compelling, VA'd magnificently, and are far from one dimensional. Not to mention that they pretty much make up 50% of the characters in the game. On more than one occasion while playing my fem-trooper (Jennifer Hale... all the way) she will be have a conversation with 2-3 other characters, all female.

Couldnt care less about looks, they are provocative because thats what the audience wants to see. Thats why most strip clubs have women dancing, not men. Societal standards are derived from inherent traits, NOT the other way around. I believe this game is FAR from sexist, and its easy to see as long as you look past pithy armor sets.

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Thecooljason
01.31.2012 , 03:37 PM | #55
No, this is a awful idea. If people start dressing their male characters is nasty clothing, I will leave and never look back.

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Propecius
01.31.2012 , 03:38 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Sai-to View Post
I see no problem with the OP's idea of having a "He-Man" or "Conan"-like outfit.

But there is a line to be drawn with male dancers. No offense to all you homosexuals out there, but you are in a minority. The majority of players would not want that. There's a reason there's a lot less male stripper clubs than there are female stripper clubs. And it's almost unheard of to have both in one club.

No offense to the majority, but just because you're in the majority doesn't mean you should get your way in everything.

Many of the players (yes, a majority) are young white males. Does that mean that anyone who isn't a young, white male should be treated as a second class citizen? The rest of us pay the same subscription fees to play. Why should we have to sit at the back of the bus?

The thing about privilege, in the sense that non-minority people are in a position of privilege, is that it can be extremely difficult for the privileged to understand their position, and the power it gives them over a minority. If you're not a black man in an urban area of the US, you have the privilege of never having to worry about being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and being arrested for a crime you didn't commit. If you're not a Latino in Arizona, you probably don't have to worry about going out for a walk without your proof of citizenship. If you're not a woman, you probably don't have to fear being sexually assaulted because you flirted with the wrong person in a bar.

How often does the average white male have to think about these things? Not very often, if at all. That is privilege.

So when you say that you don't think there should be male dancers in game, because you, personally, don't want to see them, you're saying that from a position of privilege. You're saying that as part of the majority. But the male dancers wouldn't be there for you. They would be there for someone else. And that would be OK, just like the female dancers being there for you would be OK with the women and gay men playing the game.

And that's ... one to grow on.

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Zanatho
01.31.2012 , 03:54 PM | #57
Being a gay male myself (as the OP is I guess as he seems to draw alot of attention to looking at male bodies and his guild is 'gay friendly' despite it being generally accepted these days) I dont think this is a great idea and would take ALOT away from immersion.

Females dancing for males is somethin that has been done in many societies for years. Just because no males are doing it does NOT make it sexist

Skimpy outfits are awesome on females, everyone loves a good armorkini. Making an armour set like that for males just for attention just does not belong in this game imo

At the extreme I think it would be funny to add a shady bar in some planet with male dancers. Would make me laugh with some funny dialog like 'My wife thinks im watching huttball' or something :>

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Darth_Morgul
01.31.2012 , 04:10 PM | #58
Back in the 90's there was a lawsuit against Hooters alleging sexual discrimination for not hiring males as servers. I believe that there are still people laughing, I know I am. I go to Hooters for, well, the Hooters...
“It is nearly impossible to verify the authenticity of quotes I have found on the internet.” Abraham Lincoln

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Thecooljason
01.31.2012 , 04:43 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Propecius View Post
No offense to the majority, but just because you're in the majority doesn't mean you should get your way in everything.

Many of the players (yes, a majority) are young white males. Does that mean that anyone who isn't a young, white male should be treated as a second class citizen? The rest of us pay the same subscription fees to play. Why should we have to sit at the back of the bus?

The thing about privilege, in the sense that non-minority people are in a position of privilege, is that it can be extremely difficult for the privileged to understand their position, and the power it gives them over a minority. If you're not a black man in an urban area of the US, you have the privilege of never having to worry about being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and being arrested for a crime you didn't commit. If you're not a Latino in Arizona, you probably don't have to worry about going out for a walk without your proof of citizenship. If you're not a woman, you probably don't have to fear being sexually assaulted because you flirted with the wrong person in a bar.

How often does the average white male have to think about these things? Not very often, if at all. That is privilege.

So when you say that you don't think there should be male dancers in game, because you, personally, don't want to see them, you're saying that from a position of privilege. You're saying that as part of the majority. But the male dancers wouldn't be there for you. They would be there for someone else. And that would be OK, just like the female dancers being there for you would be OK with the women and gay men playing the game.

And that's ... one to grow on.
That's deeply flawed thinking. Not having male dancers in game is nothing like having to sit on the back of the bus. There is a big difference between not getting what you want and being discriminated against.

The majority rules in this country. Its a good an healthy system. The majority of the US is non-racist, and they have the privilege of making our laws. Should the minority racist people have a few racist laws to please them? No absolutely not. And who says that its white males who are the majority of this game. There has been no polls to back that up.

You are confusing entitlements with rights. People of every race, sexual preference, likes-dislikes, style, wealth, job, opinions, etc. can play this game. But that doesn't make them entitled to have content to cater to what they want. The game should be made to please as many people as possible.

People go around these days saying that they are entitled to so much, when they should just be grateful for their rights.

Many people would be displeased if male dancers were added, and few would be pleased. Therefore they shouldn't be added.

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TirGavin
01.31.2012 , 04:48 PM | #60
No, just stop.
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