Tanks: That which will kill SWTOR PVP.

Well since its for premades, and there is objectives, and 1 or 2 viable tactics to play at higher ratings, there will be FOTM comps that are best for winning the games. Doesnt really mater if its 3v3 or 8v8, we saw in wow RBGs at higher ratings that there is certain classes that are "must to have" and exactly same will happen here, although there is less classes and spec than in WOW. But, 1 thing is for sure, there will always be specs that has no spot in top teams adn those teams will be pretty similar in team composition.

lol now we have nerf tank threads....is nothing safe?

He has a point, Guard is pretty overpowered.

Lol k, I think it's obvious you are either trolling or just dumb so I'm gonna bow out here and just let you continue to get bent over in your warzones.

All these nerfs are one thing, but BW needs to buff classes in other ways if they nerf them, otherwise they just alienate players.

If they're removing guard then give tanks more survivability etc

This thread is lulzy. Of all things, who would have known that tanks would be the ultimate PvP killer?

The funny thing, is pretty much everyone that actually has gear (such as what I assume is the poster a few posts up) knows that its true.

Does anyone remember guarded warrior priests + aoe detaunt in Warhammer?

So now Tanks are going to kill TOR? What was it first? I thought it was lack of UI customization, OPS/Smugglers, unbalanced Republic/Imperial pop, PvP at 50 being dead, blah blah blah. This isn't going to kill TOR. You people are overly dramatic and quite frankly pathetic with your doomsday predictions. Tanks being OP in PvP? What's next? Healers being nerfed because they do too much damage? Do me a favor and unsub. This game doesn't need MORE whiners.

We're already seeing scenarios like this on our server. I regularly run with premades cooping with voice chat and we have stomped premade after premade. However, there's one premade on the server that rolls with 3 healers and 1 tank.... the result is that even pugging, it usually winds up with 3-4 healers, 1-2 tanks and the rest dps.

Our team is more than sufficient to stop them in their tracks, but as the OP suggests, the game goes nowhere fast. All attempts to focus fire are thwarted by voice callouts, CC immunity runs rampant with the number of times people must be stopped from helping each other, and the end result is that basically a few people occasionally die because they did something stupid.

In Voidstar, this has resulted in either constant stalemates or sneaky stealthers getting a win. In Huttball, this has resulted in whichever team gets the ball turtling in the mid and just holding it till time runs out (the Empire has tried leaving mid, but we destroy them by knockback separation if they ever get near a ramp). In Civil War, whichever side wins mid wins the game, though it's occasionally possible to trick them into defending or overextending the wrong point.

This is a sort of natural state to RPG PVP, but it goes back to early Guild Wars style combat where two professional grade teams can stand there firing at each other for forty minutes and neither side lose any players. This is as opposed to a League of Legends competition where regardless of how good your team is, people will die... often...

The issue is of course the 8-man limit and the survivalist nature of the game. Stacking survival is currently (especially due to double dipping benefits from Expertise) better than stacking damage. This would be a non-factor in larger warzones where a team stacked with DPS can easily outdo anything a team with several healers putting out.


With DPS gaining a slight bonus from Expertise that gets mitigated by defenses, while healing gets a flat 30% reduction with no other obstacle, the extra defense on Expertise turns even DPS into tanks. All players attempting to DPS down a team of tanks while other tanks are guarding them and using tank taunts and tank healers are throwing out heals at them. We're getting into what Rift had for a while with the unkillable teams problem until they nerfed the effectiveness of their version of Expertise (which despite being higher than SWTOR's doesn't matter as much as Damage scales up much faster in Rift).

I'd agree that unless DPS is made to scale faster than it currently is, players are gaining far too much defense and healing strength for the game's good. Most players will never experience this problem as it's rare to see healers in PUGs much less cooperation.

TL;DR version: Damage is scaling too slowly, Healing and Durability are scaling exponentially.

I've been rank 50+ since the last week of December, and full Champion gear for just as long. I don't agree with you, so is that evidence that you're wrong?

If your team can't focus down a guarded healer, then you're bad, it's that simple. 4 DPS + stuns + interrupts will kill any healer fast, guarded or unguarded.