if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

Two beings didn't stop communicating, the inviter would have to have said/typed something first for there to have been communication. Why is it up to her to initiate communication? Its the other party began the exchange and made no effort to express why they wanted to group, where I come from the person initiating an exchange is the one who should start talking 1st.

Again we are not talking about 2 player standing in front of a quest mob with a clearly defined objective in view. Kub clearly said she doesn't like these invite coming at her without explanation while she is standing in a city/town/quest hub minding her own business and clearly not currently questing. And most of her ire was directed at the players who continue to send invites after the initial one was declined.

The inviter knows what he wants to achieve, so it is on him to explain this to anyone he intends to invite a party so they can in turn make an informed decision on whether or not they wish to participate.

If you don't want to take time telling what you'd like help with before you send an invite, why should I take the time to help you.

You misunderstood me. They has stopped to communicate and by saying so I mean that potential for communicate always exist. By putting someone on the ignore list you sever any means of communication or interaction with other people. At this point they did stop to communicate, even if there was still a possibility for it. You didn't say why. You achieve nothing that way. Nothing has changed.

If you want someone to know that (s)he is doing something wrong then state it. Explain. Some people might acknowledge this and change their approach. I - to give an example - can't change my ways if I don't know that I am doing something wrong. Instead she ignored that person and started a topic here about it. I don't need to know that - as I am a person who communicate - but if you want the message to be effective then send it directly to the people involved. To those who do these things you disapprove.

You have many times. Out right lie on your part. You've been insulting and condescending through out.

This is a great thread. I nominate Surakis as the best troll in this thread. Most people have probably ignored him by now, but I am enjoying his trolling and will wait until I get to the end of the thread before I ignore him.

That was direct quote from the very first post. THere are many more. There was no rearranging or jumping at all. So you are either habitual liar, or this is a massive troll thread. Either one is a sign of some social issues.


Good show on the trolling. Congrats.

You lack reading comprehension ability if you think the OP was being "insulting and condescending through out"...

Maccaroth,

While I obviously cannot speak for the OP, I seem to share this pet peeve with her and I'm guessing her sentiments are similar to mine in this (should I be guilty of presuming too much, please by all means correct me).

It isn't as if I'll fly into a red rage the second I detect a blind invite on my screen. I do not roar and dive for my /ignore button, smashing it so hard i have dents in my desk.

The /ignore function does not come into it until after a decline, when the invites persist without communcation. Even then I've often turned to the repeat-inviter and asked him what he thought he was doing and/or how he thought this would make me react. Those starting abuse because I did not accept or because I /whisper them with my thoughts, yes, they make my usually very empty /ignore-list.

You say she should communicate, express her view to the person. I personally cannot remember the amount of times I have /whispered people sending a blind invite (or trade or guildinvite etc) letting them know it'd have come across a lot better if they had asked / contacted me first with their request. Judging from her posts in this thread, I dare wager she's done similar on as many occasions.

She eventually even took it a step further than I ever would have and communicated to a wider audience here on the forum.
For this the price of abuse from closeminded people and the unavoidable trolls must be paid.
For this, the reward of insight was gained as well, because luckily many also responded in a reasonable fashion, whether agreeing or disagreeing, and explained their point of view and experiences.

In my opinion she has tried to communciate, and has kept commucations open as much as can be expected.

Agreed. As in, I couldn't agree any more if I tried. Look, I'll try right now:

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Nope. Still can't agree with you any more than I already do. I am at maximum agreement right now.

Kabjat has been exceedlingly polite thoughout this thread. She has even changed her opinion somewhat as the discussion has evolved and challenged her own views about what it means when people send a blind invite. She has welcomed the opinions of others and encouraged people to share their opinions even if they disagree with her. She has respected the opinions of others even if she disagrees with them.

Insulting and condescending? Not even.

No, its common sense that if you want help you explain what you want when asking for it. I'm busy doing my thing, why do I need to stop what I'm doing to explain to someone who has sent me a blind invite from across the map why I'm not going to join them?

I'd be putting in more effort then they are into a exchange they instigated. You're putting more responsibility on the invitee the you are the inviter which i s backwards.

I apologize if you feel my remarks were rude in any way, I assure you I was not trying to upset you.

I can appreciate your view on the topic...I don't understand it, I do feel it's petty, but I'm not you and I'm honestly not passing judgement on your feelings on the subject - they're neither right nor wrong, they simply differ from mine.

What I am trying to convey is that we (the SWTOR community) should ENCOURAGE more grouping. I absolutely love getting an invite if I'm standing outside a Heroic 4 that I went to, looking at the entrance trying to decide if it's worth asking my guild for help. I'd rather join several people who are already doing it, than to bother people who aren't.

The main point I'm trying to get across is that everyone's situation is different and I HOPE you can try to not pass judgement on someone simply because they send a blind invite. I'm not talking about the guy who's at the spaceport spamming invites to everyone he see's or the guy who's demanding people spacebar cut-scenes...I'm talking about the few random invites from people who more than likely meant well with the invite.

Community means more to MMOs than any amount of content any company could ever develop. I'm sure you're a good person, and one who ADDS to the community in ways very few do...because of that, try to be a leader and say "Thanks for the invite.", get a feel for their level of play and maybe then explain that blind invites work worse than a simple tell.

Again, I can understand your feelings on the matter, I'm not suggesting you're wrong in feeling that blind invites are 'rude'ish', but I will also attest that MOST blind invites are not meant to upset you in any way...just the opposite in fact. I know that if I send one, it's because I genuinely feel that the person I'm inviting will BENEFIT from the invite...not that I can recall the last one I sent, but I'm sure I have sent them.

tl;dr Don't pass judgement and try to exercise patience with people - we're not ALL out to get you :P