Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

Arena players generally want arena to be a e-sport. A sport must have equal gear between teams to measure skill correctly. Thus, you can't have an e-sport without normalizing gear. Players who don't want gear to be normalized are just baddies who can't cut it on an even playing field.

Wow had how many subs, what percent pvped in the arena? Out of a few million subs, i think you would be lucky to say a few thousand used the arena at any one given time. I think this game has a lot more pressing issues at its current state then to implement an arena system.

I like to say that mmos that start with pvp as a secondary playstyle are always in trouble from the get go. The bottomline as someone pointed out, casual players cannot compete for the most part with hardcore players, the two need to be separated. It would be like me playing golf a couple times a week trying to match up to Tiger Woods, its not gonna happen.

You wouldnt expect any pro sport team to match up to a college or highschool team, so why would expect any different here. There is a time(practice) factor that people are not recognizing. Regardless, of the system they implement here, if they dont recognize the two completely different playstyles you will always have a component that feels underpowered.

I love all the people that say " i r hardcore pvper!!!11!!!" then they say they pvp'ed in WoW. Makes me giggle inside. Hate to break it to ya, but Hardcore is not how much you play a game. Its the difficulty of the game that makes it hardcore. 'Cause theres nothing hardcore in Wow, Aoc, War, Rift, Aion, or Swtor.

In my eyes the people who're really skilled at arenas are better than others at it and it doesn't sting in my eyes , I admire those who're better than me and try to learn from them.

Much like people have idols and rolemodels in sports I've that when it comes to gaming and some of them are arena players <3.

All of you that were great or are great at arena respect to you guys , and for all you guys that are great at ganking , bg's or pve respect to you aswell.

I've come to the insight that we who want arena might not be able to get it cause of different concerns of many people so I guess we might not be able to coexist and if that will be the case in the end , no hard feelings.

If they don't implement arena and you guys who're against it get to have things as you wish I'm happy for you guys , I'm sure I can find some other game that will suit me better when it comes to my urge to play arena.

After all I'm not out to try and mess up a game and if that is what arena will do to swtor well then I would say the price is too high.

Umm i disagree, someone that sits down and breaks down powers, spends hours figuring out how to boost damage, writes guides, breaks down parses, pretty much spends their day figuring out how to get an edge i would consider hardcore. People having call trees and waking up at 3am to do boss kills or spends the majority of thier day trying to get world firsts, ya thats hardcore imo.

TLDR: You say arenas were fun in WoW.

I do not want another arena system set up that way. Here is why, in a few brief points:

1. The "100% voluntary action" line is BS. WoW's system "required" you to arena or fall behind gear wise.

2. 2v2 or even 3v3 to a degree makes class imbalances obviously glaring. If you want a ranked system, do 4v4 "mini" BG style on a ladder rank system since you can't premade 8v8 at this point anyways.

3. You point out that you liked gear differences, then suggest everything be auto-balanced in the same paragraph. Um... what?

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Really they just need to add an option to do some kind of premade PVP that doesn't leave you with half a team of pugs. That way the people who really WANT the cookie cutter premade "challenge" can go bang their e-peens against each other all they want.

The only difference is that pro-sports are profitable and catering to elitist in mmorpg is not. It's a bit ironic without arena becoming a profitable e-sport you can't support it due to it's high cost and maintenance to population ratio that support it. That's why BW or any future mmorpg will cater to the casuals.

I don't think the majority of arena elitist players realize that some of their ideas about rewarding gear to top rank players or other similar ideas is detrimental for arena, especially if they want an e-sport. You need to keep the game mechanics simple enough that viewers who don't play can follow the matches. Matches need to be exciting.

If matches were as exciting as the last final wow tournament with that hunter team, then I would probably willing to pay to watch. However, almost every match consist of the same class composition, which makes matches boring fast. The level of complexity is also difficult to follow for some who never played wow. Game mechanics need to be easy enough so that games can be watchable by non-players.

A lot of what arena players recommend is detrimental for arena and only helps their own ego centric believes about their game play. That's why I am oppose to most of what arena players post, cause it won't lead to major innovation in arena that will help arena become competitive like starcraft or cs. If you want arena to be recognized as an e-sport your going to have to make concessions that will deflate some of your egos and many arena advocates aren't willing to part with that at moment.

Nope, and here's the reason: I like to PvP. I don't like arena. How can you say a PvP'er doesn't need PvP gear? Giving out the best gear for arena is unfair because, just as you said, "If you don't like arenas, then you don't play it." Which means, if you don't like it, don't play it, but you will be gimped.

i would be in favor of a 4v4 arena. make some smaller maps with similar objectives to the current warzones, have them still reward warzone comms so that there is no need to add addtional gear.

honestly, i am tired of queuing a 4man premade only to get 4 fkuc-heads as the other half of my team, which causes us to lose. if i could queue with just 4 people and know there wont be any random outside influences on whether we win or not, i would be a very happy pvper

edit: even better, have the arenas reward you with mercenary comms. would give an incentive to try a little of both, but you could still get the pvp rewards doing just warzones

Unless you were only able to use your gear in the arena, and i bet most pro arena people wouldnt go for that.