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Level 50 Gunslingers/Snipers in WZ.

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Level 50 Gunslingers/Snipers in WZ.

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Xsorus
01.30.2012 , 02:53 PM | #131
Here is how we know the Cover System is bad.

Because it exists in another game called Rift, and it's 10x better there, but isn't used because it's ****.

Places a temporary field at the Mage's location for 3 minutes. While the Mage remains within the field, their magical resistances are increased by 60, armor is increased by 70%, they deal 10% less damage and are immune to control effects. Does not stack with Glyphs of Power.

That's Rift version of Cover.

Do you know how many people use Ground of Strength? Pretty much zero, Because everyone who's played a mage knows standing in place in that game gets you killed.

The only time the ability was used, Was in it gave a HUGE flat damage reduction, and let you proc stuns that didn't have DR against the targets.

That's how bad the Cover system is, You need all of what I just said to make it good in PvP.

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Gaidax
01.30.2012 , 02:53 PM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by Desgarden View Post
Good idea to remove acc as a marksman, really.
Yes, it is a good idea... I currently have 102% acc and 86% Surge, I used to be a nubcake and have 110% acc and like 61% surge. Woohoo having only like 50% chance to be dodged by failward instead of 58% sure worths 25% crit damage loss on EVERY crit. NOT!

Accuracy is useless, it does jack **** against tanks and +50/100% defense abilities and it is completely useless against those who do not dodge **** to begin with like Mercs and such.

Surge, on the other hand is good all around for everything and on average it is much better than power, especially in PvP.



You don't have to be Einstein to figure out that having more burst and damage ALL the time is much better in PvP than not getting dodged once in a blue while, because you stack Accuracy.
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LaVolpex
01.30.2012 , 02:59 PM | #133
its a class that requires a lot of skill , and JUST THE RIGHT setup, anything short of that its horrible

it is NOT a good class to get medals with, however, played right, it can be devastating and you do have to use EVERY i do mean EVERY SINGLE SKILL you have to come out ahead....

man, it feels like playing my elemental shaman again....

that said, i love alderaan, lots of positions to take cover and snipe stuff from, voidstar is ok for snipers, but huttball we are not very good , just position yourself in high ground and snipe stuff, forget about carrying the ball, most often i support by snaring and blinding , debuffing for my teammates along with looking out for low health players that i can snipe+takedown

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Exilim
01.30.2012 , 03:00 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalDreamz View Post

*Increase both melee and ranged defense to 15% when in cover*
Tech and Force defense instead and it's a deal.
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Kuari
01.30.2012 , 04:25 PM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by Bosseking View Post
Oh yeah sorry, I was talking from sharpshooter / markmanship's point of view, which is pretty sad when it comes to tanks. I honestly haven't tried the aoe spec, but maybe I just have to take your word on how well it does against good geared tank classes...

Out of curiosity, you must get facerolled by commando's and sages with that spec though? Being able to beat sorcs is one of the perks of the sharpshooter build.
Tracer round/grav round spammer it gets down to the wire at times... popping ballistic shield often saves me if its just them, otherwise, its gone.

Sorcs/Sages? Cake walk... pure and simple. Explosive probe and ambush together just completely destroys their shield and from there, series of shots, DoTs, a snipe or two maybe? They don't last long even if trying to heal. Best they can do is run away basically or have support.
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ihateyouall
01.30.2012 , 04:31 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by Xsorus View Post
Here is how we know the Cover System is bad.

Because it exists in another game called Rift, and it's 10x better there, but isn't used because it's ****.

Places a temporary field at the Mage's location for 3 minutes. While the Mage remains within the field, their magical resistances are increased by 60, armor is increased by 70%, they deal 10% less damage and are immune to control effects. Does not stack with Glyphs of Power.

That's Rift version of Cover.

Do you know how many people use Ground of Strength? Pretty much zero, Because everyone who's played a mage knows standing in place in that game gets you killed.

The only time the ability was used, Was in it gave a HUGE flat damage reduction, and let you proc stuns that didn't have DR against the targets.

That's how bad the Cover system is, You need all of what I just said to make it good in PvP.
Did you not play Rift during the Pyro months? Do you know how over-powered Ground of Strength was originally? It was often referred to as the "Ground of Skill", as entering it would immediately allow the mage to get 8-9k crits, no problem.

The ability got nerfed heavily after the outrage of the community. That's why nobody uses it anymore. After the nerf, mages found a new spec. Happens all the time in every mmo. Your point proves nothing, other than you started playing Rift pretty late.
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ihateyouall
01.30.2012 , 04:33 PM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuari View Post
Tracer round/grav round spammer it gets down to the wire at times... popping ballistic shield often saves me if its just them, otherwise, its gone.
really? Why don't you interrupt them once, then blind them once. 2 casts wasted and it's still a close fight for you? What the heck are you doing man...
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Kuari
01.30.2012 , 04:42 PM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by ihateyouall View Post
really? Why don't you interrupt them once, then blind them once. 2 casts wasted and it's still a close fight for you? What the heck are you doing man...
It entirely depends on if they are the one button wonder ones, or if they actually use their other attacks linked to those ones... most on my server these days have been the latter, and frankly? Yeah, most people aren't going to beat those ones. Especially when they decide to use their "lets make this instant cast" ability.

Trust me, I already do what you stated if they aren't on cooldown, but not every fight is going to have me notice them before they get a hit in and every little bit counts with an attack that strong.
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ZDProletariat
01.30.2012 , 04:57 PM | #139
We have a mechanic that ONLY matters when facing our mirror. Really, Bioware?

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DimeStax
01.30.2012 , 05:04 PM | #140
It's a good class. It's a fun class. It takes talent to play. The no cover on root thing is a problem I wish they would fix. You have to be very good at using your CC's to survive.

We hit very hard, but I think we deserve it considering how much more skill it requires for us to do DPS while keeping ourselves alive.